RMCtv : Simon 'Eric' Thompson says : " It's not annulised hrs-we don't call it that-but-it's annualising-the hrs"

[Hyrrokkin]

He is a liar and a con artist

[Grinder64]

con artist

Drop 3 vowels & a couple of consonants, supplant the letter 'u' and I think you've nailed it...

[POSTMAN]

Simon Says

it should even itself out of the year - and each month the pay should be the same - to help people plan - there will still be overtime on top mode those that want it - key point is - we need to discuss this with CWU to see how it will work in practice - as you say we don’t want a situation where you are out of pocket….

[2yearpostie]

We get the same each month now you muppet (unless you work you overtime) thats what a 25/30/35 hr contract and lapsing is for.

[Woody Guthrie]

You have to wonder why they shipped all that cash for automated SISO if they're just going to take a sledgehammer to variable resourcing..

According to Si it won't really matter when you start or finish you're getting the same pay every month anyway.

Managers will be as against this as we are, it's May, the bin letters have just arrived for every door but all your full-time staff are on 30hrs cause it's apparently "off peak", it's just nobody bothered to tell the council...

[POSTMAN]

LTB 268/22 – Royal Mail – Change Proposals

Flexible working –

Yearly Flexi Hours
(system for core duty
hours on scheduled
days of attendance in
Delivery and
Processing), Same
Rate Sunday and the
potential for a buyout
of certain allowances.

Proposal Details: Yearly Flexible Hours is a way of adjusting the core hours our people
work to reflect these changes in workload. There are 4 key elements to this proposal:

1. 1. Seasonal Hours: Colleagues would work shorter days when workload is low, and longer
days when it’s busier. However, unlike annualised hours, pay will not change and
colleagues will receive the same flat rate of pay irrespective of the number of core hours
they work. This means we can better align our resources to workload but unlike our
competitors, provide a good balance of flexibility and continuity of income for colleagues.
As part of this proposed approach, colleagues would get 4 to 10 weeks’ notice of scheduled
work patterns for the next seasonal schedule (with 2 weeks’ notice of any adaptations) so
they can manage their commitments outside of work. This will include the days they are
planned to attend on and a guide on how long they are likely to be needed on those days.

2.
3. 2. Flexi Hours: In Delivery, these changes will be based on a commitment to deliver their
mail for that day within the work pattern. This might mean colleagues work a little longer
or less than the scheduled work pattern and any variation would go into a “flexitime bank”
of time owed or time in credit. In Processing, broadly the same approach will apply.
Defined shifts will be communicated in advance and if colleagues need to work longer or
less than the planned shift, this will be banked.
There would still be an opportunity for people to enhance their earnings through overtime
to cover genuine business needs e.g., unplanned sickness .

3 is allowances here: RMCtv : Zareena 'I'm still a people person-not when it comes to money tho' Brown : Some allowances just don't make sense at this point in time-so we want to take 'em away


4. Sundays and Same Day Same Rate:

a. Sundays would become a normal working day in that it would be part of agreed core hours. However, we are not proposing that employees work every Sunday all the time. Nor are we proposing that employees work more hours (i.e., we are not proposing they work 7 days a week). This is about us about finding patterns that work for the business and employees by giving seven-day cover.

b. We appreciate that a Sunday can be an important day to spend with family Sundays are currently less than 5% of our parcel volume during the week. We only deliver certain products for certain customers, and no letters on Sundays either. So, we won't need anywhere near a full team nationwide for some time. We would like to explore the number of Sundays people could be asked to work and how that would fit into the duty sets, including whether it might allow more Saturdays off. We can explore creative duty patterns and other resourcing options such as Sunday only or weekend working .

We would like to work with you to identify how seasonal working patterns and Sundays could be defined and what that would mean for duty sets across the operation, including how we could accommodate personal and family commitments using our existing family friendly policies.
Reasons for the Proposal

Seasonal and Flexi Hours: As you know, workload in the Operation changes a lot over the course of the year. For example, we are busy in the run up to Christmas but much quieter during the summer. However, the core hours that our people are scheduled to and paid for remain flat from week to week.

We believe this approach has benefits for colleagues including less lapsing, more time away from work during the summer, more opportunity for ad hoc annual leave through the flexitime bank and, by measuring holiday in hours and minutes, the chance to have more holiday over the course of the year (because days off in the summer will use less annual leave).

This will allow us to better respond to workload fluctuations meeting customer needs in the most efficient way but still providing good predictability of shift and working time patterns for the employee.

Allowances: As set out we believe the proposal is fairer for all. It is also a key enabler to the seasonal hours proposals.

Sunday Working and Same Day Same Pay: This is to secure and grow our position as the UK’s no 1 parcel company. Delivery on Sundays is currently offered to our largest retail customers and is very popular. In the last year we’ve delivered more than 9.5 million parcels on a Sunday – from a standing start – with just the one product: Next day Tracked 24.

4. Sundays and Same Day Same Rate:

a. Sundays would become a normal working day in that it would be part of agreed core hours. However, we are not proposing that employees work every Sunday all the time. Nor are we proposing that employees work more hours (i.e., we are not proposing they work 7 days a week). This is about us about finding patterns that work for the business and employees by giving seven-day cover.

b. We appreciate that a Sunday can be an important day to spend with family Sundays are currently less than 5% of our parcel volume during the week. We only deliver certain products for certain customers, and no letters on Sundays either. So, we won't need anywhere near a full team nationwide for some time. We would like to explore the number of Sundays people could be asked to work and how that would fit into the duty sets, including whether it might allow more Saturdays off. We can explore creative duty patterns and other resourcing options such as Sunday only or weekend working .

We would like to work with you to identify how seasonal working patterns and Sundays could be defined and what that would mean for duty sets across the operation, including how we could accommodate personal and family commitments using our existing family friendly policies.

Reasons for the Proposal

Seasonal and Flexi Hours: As you know, workload in the Operation changes a lot over the course of the year. For example, we are busy in the run up to Christmas but much quieter during the summer. However, the core hours that our people are scheduled to and paid for remain flat from week to week.

We believe this approach has benefits for colleagues including less lapsing, more time away from work during the summer, more opportunity for ad hoc annual leave through the flexitime bank and, by measuring holiday in hours and minutes, the chance to have more holiday over the course of the year (because days off in the summer will use less annual leave).

This will allow us to better respond to workload fluctuations meeting customer needs in the most efficient way but still providing good predictability of shift and working time patterns for the employee.

Allowances: As set out we believe the proposal is fairer for all. It is also a key enabler to the seasonal hours proposals.

Sunday Working and Same Day Same Pay: This is to secure and grow our position as the UK’s no 1 parcel company. Delivery on Sundays is currently offered to our largest retail customers and is very popular. In the last year we’ve delivered more than 9.5 million parcels on a Sunday – from a standing start – with just the one product: Next day Tracked 24.

Expanding into Sunday deliveries has helped us win more business and retain a number of big contracts. That’s because if you can offer the seventh day, you get the business for the other six too. We're currently only delivering Sundays for around 75 major retailers, but over the coming months, we’re going to be expanding this out to more products and services, and a much wider group of customers.

Sundays are staffed by volunteers and agency workers. But if we're really going to scale this and grow that business, we need a better model that reduces our reliance on agency workers, and all the cost involved in that, and ensures that we have a reliable resourcing model so we can deliver guaranteed levels of service to our customers. This is why we’re proposing innovative duty patterns to ensure we have a consistent level of service on a Sunday.

We struggle to win contracts because we can't offer that seven-day service that our customers are demanding. Sunday is becoming like any other day in the delivery industry - much like shops and the retail industry went through this shift from the 1990s.

So, the question for us is - how do we make sure Royal Mail is at the forefront of this change in customer behaviour and we set ourselves up to win before it's too late and the rest of the industry taken our share of the market.

[Sir Henry]

"1. 1.
As part of this proposed approach, colleagues would get 4 to 10 weeks’ notice of scheduled
work patterns for the next seasonal schedule (with 2 weeks’ notice of any adaptations) so
they can manage their commitments outside of work. This will include the days they are
planned to attend on and a guide on how long they are likely to be needed on those days."

4-10 weeks notice of schedule work patterns and 2 weeks notice of adaptations?
We are supposed to get 2 weeks notice of our hours and days and that NEVER HAPPENS.
We are told next weeks hours on the Saturday before, 2 DAYS NOTICE.
How much change would count as an adaptation? Any amount that was needed? Days changed? What are we talking about?
A guide? Scary.

". 2. Flexi Hours: In Delivery, these changes will be based on a commitment to deliver their
mail for that day within the work pattern. This might mean colleagues work a little longer
or less than the scheduled work pattern and any variation would go into a “flexitime bank”
of time owed or time in credit."

So could I cash in my hours owed during the heavier days and f**k off early then? Forgive me if I don't trust you c***s to give me what I'm owed when I want it. Or at all actually.

"There would still be an opportunity for people to enhance their earnings through overtime
to cover genuine business needs e.g., unplanned sickness"

So would the o/t begin at the time you return to the DO regardless of if you finished earlier or later than planned?
Would you HAVE to return to the DO prior to commencement of o/t? Sounds ripe for abuse.

4. Sundays and Same Day Same Rate:
Sunday is the ONLY day I can rely on to spend with family so you can blow me working them out of your collective shitpipes.
The way I have been screwed out of Saturday's as a day off over the years is testament to the fact any agreement is only enforced in the business' favour

"Seasonal and Flexi Hours: As you know, workload in the Operation changes a lot over the course of the year. For example, we are busy in the run up to Christmas but much quieter during the summer. However, the core hours that our people are scheduled to and paid for remain flat from week to week."

I shall correct you, "we are busier up to Xmas and less so but still too busy during summer"
There you go.

"We believe this approach has benefits for colleagues including less lapsing, more time away from work during the summer."

How much? Minutes less at each end of a summer day? an hour? Bit too vague to be anything other than a con as per usual.

[oypostie]

Sorry Si i could never trust annualised hours. Looks to me like the next lapsing farce

[Cucumber]

Annualised hours would only ever work if pay was linked to scan in/out. And even then you'll have all of the office on different start/finish times.

[TopperGas]

Annualised hours would only ever work if pay was linked to scan in/out. And even then you'll have all of the office on different start/finish times.

Can anybody see how this will work in practice, OPG's wise, what's the DOM going to do check each frame everyday before deciding how many hours they are going to allocate to each to complete their rounds, given that incoming mail & packets are so variable on a day to day basis?

[Woody Guthrie]

Can anybody see how this will work in practice

It won't.
It's either a giant bluff or a giant brain fart.
You decide.

[Minischoles]

3. 2. Flexi Hours: In Delivery, these changes will be based on a commitment to deliver their
mail for that day within the work pattern. This might mean colleagues work a little longer
or less than the scheduled work pattern and any variation would go into a “flexitime bank”
of time owed or time in credit. In Processing, broadly the same approach will apply.
Defined shifts will be communicated in advance and if colleagues need to work longer or
less than the planned shift, this will be banked.
There would still be an opportunity for people to enhance their earnings through overtime
to cover genuine business needs e.g., unplanned sickness .

f***ing called it - posted that this would be what they expect back in May when it was first rumoured.

It's basically a move to being a salaried position - you work until you finish delivering, no matter how long it takes - 'a little longer' is a nice euphemism for working 10 hour days over the Xmas period to deliver parcels.

[SpacePhoenix]

Can't see it fully working in MCs as it's no good carrying on after the normal finish time of a shift as the work will miss the final lorries off to the next offices so it'll fail anyway. Won't be viable for longer hours in the winter as you'll have to wait anyway for the previous shift to finish and get their work dispatched before you can start tidying up and getting your own work areas set up

[Zicomurphy]

3. 2. Flexi Hours: In Delivery, these changes will be based on a commitment to deliver their
mail for that day within the work pattern. This might mean colleagues work a little longer
or less than the scheduled work pattern and any variation would go into a “flexitime bank”
of time owed or time in credit. In Processing, broadly the same approach will apply.
Defined shifts will be communicated in advance and if colleagues need to work longer or
less than the planned shift, this will be banked.
There would still be an opportunity for people to enhance their earnings through overtime
to cover genuine business needs e.g., unplanned sickness .

f***ing called it - posted that this would be what they expect back in May when it was first rumoured.

It's basically a move to being a salaried position - you work until you finish delivering, no matter how long it takes - 'a little longer' is a nice euphemism for working 10 hour days over the Xmas period to deliver parcels.

And what do they mean by “A commitment to deliver their mail for that day” ? We all remember Simon banging on about don’t just clear your walk clear your office so who is to say their definition of your mail wouldn’t be all the mail in the office.

[2yearpostie]

Can't see it fully working in MCs as it's no good carrying on after the normal finish time of a shift as the work will miss the final lorries off to the next offices so it'll fail anyway. Won't be viable for longer hours in the winter as you'll have to wait anyway for the previous shift to finish and get their work dispatched before you can start tidying up and getting your own work areas set up

You are funny SP, they will also change the times of the trucks arriving and leaving throughout the year as well, you guys are gonna get just as shafted as us in delivery, probably more so.