When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
Fraud? Stupid! For something to be fraudulent there needs to be a false representation. There was no false representation here — I signed in and out contemporaneous with entering and leaving the depot. Furthermore, there was no intention to deceive. Those are the legal ingredients of “fraudulent”. As I said before, just jealousy!
Yes. It was fraud.
Do you need a shovel to keep digging a hole? Look up the legal and dictionary definitions of fraud.
As I say, you’re just jealous that my hard work is recognised and occasionally rewarded by the powers that be. And like I said before, I’m not alone — all of us new-starter posties at my place get on well with the gaffers and deal with them direct on all matters, rather than hiding behind a pesky union rep, with the result we all benefit from such two-way flexibility. We Are Royal Mail!!
When someone is sent home ‘4 hours early’ of their contracted hours and the manager makes it all okay with SISO because he wants to reward a favourite or something or other, that can also be described as fraudulent.
Fraud? Stupid! For something to be fraudulent there needs to be a false representation. There was no false representation here — I signed in and out contemporaneous with entering and leaving the depot. Furthermore, there was no intention to deceive. Those are the legal ingredients of “fraudulent”. As I said before, just jealousy!
Yes. It was fraud.
Do you need a shovel to keep digging a hole? Look up the legal and dictionary definitions of fraud.
As I say, you’re just jealous that my hard work is recognised and occasionally rewarded by the powers that be. And like I said before, I’m not alone — all of us new-starter posties at my place get on well with the gaffers and deal with them direct on all matters, rather than hiding behind a pesky union rep, with the result we all benefit from such two-way flexibility. We Are Royal Mail!!
Give it time.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
Well I never expected that I'd get educated coming on here
Yes I admit I had to look it up.
Thanks, that's a new word added to my vocabulary although to be honest I'll probably never use it but at least I now know what it means.
No offence intended only joking
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
It’s corrupt as hell stop trying to justify it. No manager should be doing what he did.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
It’s corrupt as hell stop trying to justify it. No manager should be doing what he did.
How is it corrupt? Stop trying to justify your clearly untenable stance! Managers do what he did every day of the week when allowing employees to go home with emergencies (sickness, family crisis…), some genuine cases some perhaps not, yet be paid in full.
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
It’s corrupt as hell stop trying to justify it. No manager should be doing what he did.
How is it corrupt? Stop trying to justify your clearly untenable stance! Managers do what he did every day of the week when allowing employees to go home with emergencies (sickness, family crisis…), some genuine cases some perhaps not, yet be paid in full.
What you received was a bung.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
It’s corrupt as hell stop trying to justify it. No manager should be doing what he did.
How is it corrupt? Stop trying to justify your clearly untenable stance! Managers do what he did every day of the week when allowing employees to go home with emergencies (sickness, family crisis…), some genuine cases some perhaps not, yet be paid in full.
What you received was a bung.
Now you’re just being silly. How do you know it was a bung? It could have been a bong.
None taken! Glad to have broadened your vocabulary :). Contemporaneous evidence is always the most cogent and convincing, especially when it comes to evidencing people’s intentions (ie whether something is fraud or not).
As you say not fraud (especially from your POV), but I could imagine any decent boss could find that the manager could potentially be breaching Business Standards - Manager's Duty Of Care and Use of Company Funds and Property.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
It’s corrupt as hell stop trying to justify it. No manager should be doing what he did.
How is it corrupt? Stop trying to justify your clearly untenable stance! Managers do what he did every day of the week when allowing employees to go home with emergencies (sickness, family crisis…), some genuine cases some perhaps not, yet be paid in full.
What you received was a bung.
Now you’re just being silly. How do you know it was a bung? It could have been a bong.
I would never accept such a payment from someone above me in the pecking order. Never owe someone like that a favour. You call that silly. I call that good sense.
’You can't just ask customers what they want and then try to give that to them. By the time you get it built, they'll want something new.’
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
'Plays by the book at all times' - well clearly not, he enabled the situation whereby it appears you were paid for not working.
Did you get paid for going 'above and beyond' over the summer? Then isn't that your reward? If you didn't get paid for going 'above and beyond'
then that's down to your manager too.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
'Plays by the book at all times' - well clearly not, he enabled the situation whereby it appears you were paid for not working.
Did you get paid for going 'above and beyond' over the summer? Then isn't that your reward? If you didn't get paid for going 'above and beyond'
then that's down to your manager too.
He did indeed. Top bloke he is too. Yellow Belly by name, yellow belly by nature - just jealousy on your part.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
'Plays by the book at all times' - well clearly not, he enabled the situation whereby it appears you were paid for not working.
Did you get paid for going 'above and beyond' over the summer? Then isn't that your reward? If you didn't get paid for going 'above and beyond'
then that's down to your manager too.
He did indeed. Top bloke he is too. Yellow Belly by name, yellow belly by nature - just jealousy on your part.
Wow, you go on about people throwing insults around, when I have thrown an insult at you? I thought we were having a reasonable but robust discussion.
I hear you, and one can readily envisage scenarios where such managerial discretion could be abused, eg, a manager letting family members, close friends go home early, but our gaffer is a straight-laced fella who plays by the book at all times. I have no doubt he would be able to robustly justify his decision and the rationale for letting me go early as a one-off reward by reference to his view that I had gone above and beyond over the summer. Indeed, almost as an afterthought that occurs to me only now, isn’t there a drive from above for posties to be recognised and rewarded more informally at a local level? Perhaps my “reward” might even fall under that sort of initiative?
'Plays by the book at all times' - well clearly not, he enabled the situation whereby it appears you were paid for not working.
Did you get paid for going 'above and beyond' over the summer? Then isn't that your reward? If you didn't get paid for going 'above and beyond'
then that's down to your manager too.
He did indeed. Top bloke he is too. Yellow Belly by name, yellow belly by nature - just jealousy on your part.
Wow, you go on about people throwing insults around, when I have thrown an insult at you? I thought we were having a reasonable but robust discussion.
It wasn’t intended as an insult, more an attempt, perhaps ill judged, at humour based on your username. I apologise if you have perceived it as insulting.
