Putting things into perspective

[rambo1]

I'm sad so many were brainwashed by the CWU. If you stood back from the bluster you could see what was coming. Up to the members now, do you want to keep your job with the new conditions and pay or risk loosing it.

I will risk losing it rather than accept this terrible deal .

Exactly, we talk about doing things for the next generation. Decent thing to do here is fall on our swords and make sure this company and board collapses so nobody else has to work here. Levelling up? What a wonderful notion. Where are all the people beating us down from having an opinion over the last 6 months

Totally agree, Royal Mail have proved the UK postal service can not be run privately,it should be taken back into public hands ,now is the time to get it back on the cheap as it makes no money (as they tell us) for the sake of customers and workers alike,its like no other business in the UK you cant be using workers to the point where their bodies are breaking down and spit them out the other end,we must all remember in this deal indoor working is to be slashed and even more walking is to be piled on and with the extra hours in the winter they know posties bodies will be on the line that's why they have slashed the IHR,this is a disgrace in a modern country i honestly think its starting to border on slavery when one drops drag them out to be replaced by another We need to vote NO !!! and force this government to take it back over for the sake of everyone involved,if there is job cuts so be it.

You're having a laugh if you think going back into the public's hands is going to make your working life as a postie better

[Acca Dacca]

if you come up with a better deal would love to hear it!

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£1million for every postie, every Saturday off and Simon Thompson needs to clean our vans

What kind of answer are you expecting?

[k979aaa]

if you come up with a better deal would love to hear it!

]

£1million for every postie, every Saturday off and Simon Thompson needs to clean our vans

What kind of answer are you expecting?

Well a little more detail like 35 pages of A4 or amendments to draughts said paragraphs ie the one in the agreement would help!

[Hyrrokkin]

The agreement must be seen in the context that Royal Mail as a company is on a cliff top. Mismanagement , loss of revenue and increased costs have put the very future of Royal Mail moving forward into jeopardy.

Those who claim that the government will bail us out are only part right. They would have continued with the USO but everything else would have likely ceased causing thousands of immediate job losses with on Statuary redundancy pay available.

No responsible union gambles with its members jobs and wages.

Instead we have an agreement, not perfect but has changed the company on every aspect.

Those who reject this and that is your right then do you really thing that change won’t be imposed and do you really think that pay in a company which loss 800 million this year is suddenly going to cough up even if it survives ?

Now let’s answer some of the points.

1. You deserve more pay but there is no more. The pay options are the same but the 6% this year is better option as it flows through to pensions , allowances , overtime and SA. The lump sum option would have delayed the 6% to next year and meant you only got 2% in April.

2. Royal Mail are coming of flights , no strike will force Royal Mail to continue to fly Mail for CO2 reasons and that a growing number of companies are refusing to use parcel companies who fly work. Once Royal Mail come off planes you will receive your distant mail later.

3. The CWU have reduced this to ensure that in the vast majority of untie you will only move up to 60 minutes.

4. Just because the last letter for urban and rural will move to 16:30. It does not mean every unit moves to 16:30. The current urban last letter is 15:30 not every unit currently finishes at 15:30.

5. The agreement states that the majority of units will finish by 15:30 , the vast majority by 16:00 and there will be working groups to ensure this can be achieved.

6. Seasonal variations is fundamentally different to annualised hours and flexi bank. Every Delivery postie will know a year in advance their start and finish times. The 15 weeks in the summer when you will work 24 minutes less per day and the 15 weeks in peak when you will work 24 minutes more per day before your duty is known.

7. The 30 minutes flex is not compulsory and is subject to a review.

I will comment more in due course but if anyone believes there are no consequences if you reject the deal and believe it will get better than your really are not reading the room.

Pathetic post POSTMAN/MARTIN WALSH

Under the guise of being sensible and pragmatic and seeing the 'big' picture - condescending rubbish

The "aww well schucks defence" - RM have screwed you over with EA,spend 100's millions down the toilet,screwed over customers and abused the USO,whittled down your t&c even more with the CWU's help and blessing
But hey ho be grateful for what you have left let us be pragmatic and accept being shafted yet again...because you know shrug what else can we do.

This is not the end by any means...RM will do what they have always done - come back for more and the CWU will bluster and shout then bend over like they have always done.

The time will come when we have no t&c left to fight over

Disgraceful post

Posted this another thread to POSTMAN - might as well repeat it on this for MARTIN WALSH
The hard spin has begun

[Acca Dacca]

if you come up with a better deal would love to hear it!

]

£1million for every postie, every Saturday off and Simon Thompson needs to clean our vans

What kind of answer are you expecting?

Well a little more detail like 35 pages of A4 or amendments to draughts said paragraphs ie the one in the agreement would help!

You already know what we arent happy with. Im surprised your happy to accept it.

[k979aaa]

if you come up with a better deal would love to hear it!

]

£1million for every postie, every Saturday off and Simon Thompson needs to clean our vans

What kind of answer are you expecting?

Well a little more detail like 35 pages of A4 or amendments to draughts said paragraphs ie the one in the agreement would help!

You already know what we arent happy with. Im surprised your happy to accept it.

Not got the ballot paper yet mulling it over and why should we all not.
Ignorance is no defence wise up rise up or be happy with your lot!

[guardianangel]

I'm sad so many were brainwashed by the CWU. If you stood back from the bluster you could see what was coming. Up to the members now, do you want to keep your job with the new conditions and pay or risk loosing it.

I will risk losing it rather than accept this terrible deal .

Exactly, we talk about doing things for the next generation. Decent thing to do here is fall on our swords and make sure this company and board collapses so nobody else has to work here. Levelling up? What a wonderful notion. Where are all the people beating us down from having an opinion over the last 6 months

Totally agree, Royal Mail have proved the UK postal service can not be run privately,it should be taken back into public hands ,now is the time to get it back on the cheap as it makes no money (as they tell us) for the sake of customers and workers alike,its like no other business in the UK you cant be using workers to the point where their bodies are breaking down and spit them out the other end,we must all remember in this deal indoor working is to be slashed and even more walking is to be piled on and with the extra hours in the winter they know posties bodies will be on the line that's why they have slashed the IHR,this is a disgrace in a modern country i honestly think its starting to border on slavery when one drops drag them out to be replaced by another We need to vote NO !!! and force this government to take it back over for the sake of everyone involved,if there is job cuts so be it.

You're having a laugh if you think going back into the public's hands is going to make your working life as a postie better

No i am not ,the postal should be a service for the people (thats letters by the way) if they have to get rid of half of the employees and parcels so be it,its should be run as a not for profit service just like the nhs, only my opinion and i've always said that,and yes it will be better,it wasnt perfect when the government ran it but it was a far lot better than run privately,and yes i would be fine with leaving to give the youngsters some hope of not being beaten down for the rest of their lives.

[rambo1]

And look how well the NHS is run! Do you know anyone who works in the NHS? If so ask them honestly what they think of it, how it's run, what they think of their bosses, the working conditions, the increase in workload and decrease in feeling valued. If that's your best example of what the new improved not for profit mail service should be like, good luck with that!