LTB 815/13 National Agreement Reached

[feduppostie]

Why don't we rename this forum royalmailmoan?
Some peeps will never be happy no matter what.
Do your job correctly. It is so simple! If you don't like the level of pay go work for DPD or similar.
Then revisit this forum and tell all how the two jobs compare!
Great agreement! Well done under the circumstances!

Have you read the agreement????

[mandelsons_toenail]

if you dont think managers will use this as another way to b&h you are wrong.

Then why aren't they doing it now?

Well I don't want to be obtuse and there is a method of tracking BUT at the moment it is a complex process and pretty time consuming.

We'll they can log onto blackbay, check your scan points which gives your gps longitude and latitude position, which fed into google maps, then gives a location.

Or is that not it

[bustedflush]

Why don't we rename this forum royalmailmoan?
Some peeps will never be happy no matter what.
Do your job correctly. It is so simple! If you don't like the level of pay go work for DPD or similar.
Then revisit this forum and tell all how the two jobs compare!
Great agreement! Well done under the circumstances!

[dvbuk55]

Why don't we rename this forum royalmailmoan?
Some peeps will never be happy no matter what.
Do your job correctly. It is so simple! If you don't like the level of pay go work for DPD or similar.
Then revisit this forum and tell all how the two jobs compare!
Great agreement! Well done under the circumstances!

Tell us rennie, what exactly was the circumstances.

As I see it there was a consultative ballot where over 90% of the members voted YES, followed by an IA ballot where a majority voted to strike at RMs busiest time of the year where 100s of millions of pounds was at stake ready to be gobbled up by the competition. RM had just been privatised and the market was buoyant and there was much to lose for investors.

Now ask yourself this: why was a strike not called to put pressure on RM to bring about settlement earlier and to our advantage. This agreement in no shape or form goes anywhere near satisfying the aspirations of the membership.

[RTP]

Also for ft staff roughly how much is the back pay worth.

Assuming the vote is yes and is in towards the end of January, then we're roughly talking 40 weeks back pay.
Assuming my maths is correct then 3% of £372.10 basic pay = £11.163 x 40 = £446.52

[The_Wax_Man]

Shamefull.

Shamefull on the CWU taking over 6 months to sort this. I demand to know how much actual time Dave & Billy sat at the table negotiating !!!!

This agreement sounds like it has been written by RM.

The fruit pickers will wave this agreement in pleased in the knowledge that theycan actually buy little johnny his x-box game that he has been demanding for so long - and will be forgotten about come January ..., frankly I'm amazed at the amount on here that would sell their soul for a few hundred quid

As for CWU - pah. What a complete sell out. All the balls up front when calling for the ballot only to bend over and wave the ass ready for the vaseline. I hope if anyone reading this was involved, you are happy with this.

Nothing really much left to say other than this.

In 2014+ Royal Mail

you WILL work harder
you WILL work longer
you WILL have the B&H just the same
you WILL not see the Union strike again

Be prepared to work your soul to pay for shareholders demanding profit.

Think you work hard now, - you ain''t seen nothing yet

[twiddledumb]

Also for ft staff roughly how much is the back pay worth.

Assuming the vote is yes and is in towards the end of January, then we're roughly talking 40 weeks back pay.
Assuming my maths is correct then 3% of £372.10 basic pay = £11.163 x 40 = £446.52

Dont forget the tax you will be paying on that !

[Wild Rover]

Fine with me, I'll still finish on my time.

[wabbithunta]

Ha ha calm down, I only said it because I remember the white arrow drivers telling me how the used to wrap their trackers in tin foil to disrupt the signal. Christ royal mail managers can't answer a phone never mind track and check 80,000 PDAs everyday.

The London buses have telemetry in their cabs that checks their every move.
There is a whole division of people dedicated to checking the whereabouts of every bus every minute, ensuring they are where they are supposed to be and giving the customer accurate information of when the next bus is due.
I don't care if they want to track my every move from the start of my delivery to the end of my delivery. I don't do anything worth talking about.

It happens all over the country as well. I have an app on my phone called "First BUs" it tells me when the next bus is due at the stop I am at. Whilst I understand the fear people have of being tracked when not working, I think its something we need to get used to when we are. Unfortunately the benefits to customers outweigh the drawbacks to workers and thats where the focus is.

Mobile phones have the same thing in them, the ability to allow you to be tracked that is, either by transmitter mast (aka cell) or by GPS so what is the problem? As others have said just do your job properly and you've got nothing to worry about. Why take out the battery!? You won't achieve anything by doing that as it sends a signal anyway and by being "offline" they'll know something is up, if they were going to track you via a PDA. I can't see you doing that to your own mobile phone, can you?

[twiddledumb]

Shamefull.

Shamefull on the CWU taking over 6 months to sort this. I demand to know how much actual time Dave & Billy sat at the table negotiating !!!!

This agreement sounds like it has been written by RM.

The fruit pickers will wave this agreement in pleased in the knowledge that theycan actually buy little johnny his x-box game that he has been demanding for so long - and will be forgotten about come January ..., frankly I'm amazed at the amount on here that would sell their soul for a few hundred quid

As for CWU - pah. What a complete sell out. All the balls up front when calling for the ballot only to bend over and wave the ass ready for the vaseline. I hope if anyone reading this was involved, you are happy with this.

Nothing really much left to say other than this.

In 2014+ Royal Mail

you WILL work harder
you WILL work longer
you WILL have the B&H just the same
you WILL not see the Union strike again

Be prepared to work your soul to pay for shareholders demanding profit.

Think you work hard now, - you ain''t seen nothing yet

After I vote no, I am seriously considering leaving the union. I am convinced it would be more beneficial to put my weekly union money on the lotto, as I think I have a better chance of getting something back for my money.

[mojothefishmo]

I personally dont think its a terrible deal work your hrs go home ,that simple what i wanna know is ......what deal would people be happy with ,what did you really expect or want??????

[RTP]

Also for ft staff roughly how much is the back pay worth.

Assuming the vote is yes and is in towards the end of January, then we're roughly talking 40 weeks back pay.
Assuming my maths is correct then 3% of £372.10 basic pay = £11.163 x 40 = £446.52

Dont forget the tax you will be paying on that !

Roughly a third. I'm not sure if D2D is increased as well and will be back dated. Perhaps someone else can enlighten us.

As for the deal, it's going to take a few days to digest, but what stuck out was no cap on BSI, so that's still open to interpretation. There is a brief mention on delivery to neighbour, but nothing has been done yet to build the time in. Oh and big brother will be watching you alright via the PDA.

[mojothefishmo]

Shamefull.

Shamefull on the CWU taking over 6 months to sort this. I demand to know how much actual time Dave & Billy sat at the table negotiating !!!!

This agreement sounds like it has been written by RM.

The fruit pickers will wave this agreement in pleased in the knowledge that theycan actually buy little johnny his x-box game that he has been demanding for so long - and will be forgotten about come January ..., frankly I'm amazed at the amount on here that would sell their soul for a few hundred quid

As for CWU - pah. What a complete sell out. All the balls up front when calling for the ballot only to bend over and wave the ass ready for the vaseline. I hope if anyone reading this was involved, you are happy with this.

Nothing really much left to say other than this.

In 2014+ Royal Mail

you WILL work harder
you WILL work longer
you WILL have the B&H just the same
you WILL not see the Union strike again

Be prepared to work your soul to pay for shareholders demanding profit.

Think you work hard now, - you ain''t seen nothing yet

After I vote no, I am seriously considering leaving the union. I am convinced it would be more beneficial to put my weekly union money on the lotto, as I think I have a better chance of getting something back for my money.

Without the union at local level you really are screwed!!!

[Postie45]

"7 Exceptional Circumstances

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect."


I see people worryng about this "get out clause" but is this no different to what we have now anyway ?
I dont see under what circumstances the CWU would have a national strike so long as the agreed terms were honoured. Even if there was a strike surely it would be done to IMPROVE on this current agreement, not to worry about keeping this one as is.

[SP115]

Will be voting no.