LTB 815/13 National Agreement Reached

[clashcityrocker]

I don't do anything worth talking about.

Clash, I am so tempted

Go on. You know you want to.

[citypostie]

Ha ha calm down, I only said it because I remember the white arrow drivers telling me how the used to wrap their trackers in tin foil to disrupt the signal. Christ royal mail managers can't answer a phone never mind track and check 80,000 PDAs everyday.

The London buses have telemetry in their cabs that checks their every move.
There is a whole division of people dedicated to checking the whereabouts of every bus every minute, ensuring they are where they are supposed to be and giving the customer accurate information of when the next bus is due.
This is what DPD does isn't it. They text you where the driver who is delivering your packet is and when he will be at your house.
I don't care if they want to track my every move from the start of my delivery to the end of my delivery. I don't do anything worth talking about.

And I'm saying royal mail won't spend money tracking every postie all over the country. Buses in London is easy-all the Postie's round the country not so. People like yourself have no need to worry, the slow walkers might do though, not saying its right but that will be one powerful bullying tool for a Dom with a grudge against someone-they won't even get away from b&h when they leave the office. It will probably be used when they feel its needed not all the time.

[bustedflush]

Go and compare this agreement to those being given outside RM. It is very good, and due to the complex issues involved, nobody will be 100% happy with every aspect of it. The b&H issues are being addressed if you read it, and the measures take time to implement and filter through. I told my missus about it who works for the Local Authority and she was green with envy, having been facing redundancy and had 1.5% in the last 3 years. Or go and work on minimum wage for Yodel or Green or Dpd and see how bad others have got it compared to us. I will vote yes.

[k979aaa]

here we go
The get out clause!!
Royal mail get out of legal protections for your terms and conditions if the cwu go for a national strike!!! (CLAUSE E)

7 Exceptional Circumstances

7.1 The Employer shall be entitled to notify the CWU at any time that any of the Protections will no longer continue, if any of the following exceptional circumstances apply:

a) if Royal Mail ceases to be the designated Universal Service provider;

b) in circumstances where, the Employer believes on reasonable grounds that continuing the Protection concerned would, or would be likely to, place the company in breach of, or result in the Employer being unable to comply with, any legal or regulatory requirement;

c) in the event that the Employer believes on reasonable grounds that any part of the business to which a Protection applies has ceased to be, or is likely to cease being, financially sustainable;

d) in the event that the Employer believes on reasonable grounds that a significant event or series of events has occurred, or is likely to occur that has a material adverse effect, or is reasonably likely to have a materially adverse effect on: (i) the Employer’s business or prospects or (ii) the legal or regulatory basis on which the Employer operates (including but not limited to the Employer's position as the sole Universal Service Provider); or

e) if there is national-scale industrial action (in the form of a strike or action short of a strike) which has been authorised at national level by the CWU, namely industrial action which either (i) involves employees in the majority of operational workplaces across Royal Mail Group Limited; or (ii) involves employees in an integral part of the operation whereby taking action will have, or is reasonably likely to have, a similarly disruptive effect.

Well this post summed it up for me in that it is a NO STRIKE deal and they cannot promise anything Most will look at the money but nothing in this agreement fills me with any confidence this deal of deals yet to be agreed will. NOT make any difference to the average delivery postman except the pay rise which you may soon regret for the £300 bribe became a 9.06% one of three years!

[halfull]

Ha ha calm down, I only said it because I remember the white arrow drivers telling me how the used to wrap their trackers in tin foil to disrupt the signal. Christ royal mail managers can't answer a phone never mind track and check 80,000 PDAs everyday.

The London buses have telemetry in their cabs that checks their every move.
There is a whole division of people dedicated to checking the whereabouts of every bus every minute, ensuring they are where they are supposed to be and giving the customer accurate information of when the next bus is due.
This is what DPD does isn't it. They text you where the driver who is delivering your packet is and when he will be at your house.
I don't care if they want to track my every move from the start of my delivery to the end of my delivery. I don't do anything worth talking about.

if you dont think managers will use this as another way to b&h you are wrong.

[clashcityrocker]

if you dont think managers will use this as another way to b&h you are wrong.

Then why aren't they doing it now?

[halfull]

Go and compare this agreement to those being given outside RM. It is very good, and due to the complex issues involved, nobody will be 100% happy with every aspect of it. The b&H issues are being addressed if you read it, and the measures take time to implement and filter through. I told my missus about it who works for the Local Authority and she was green with envy, having been facing redundancy and had 1.5% in the last 3 years. Or go and work on minimum wage for Yodel or Green or Dpd and see how bad others have got it compared to us. I will vote yes.

its past somebodies bedtime me thinks. The whole thing about not a race to the bottom ring any bells?? i dont want my T&C's compared to the poor sods at those slave jobs thank you very much, leave that to the managers when trying to convince us to go the extra mile!

[dvbuk55]

I don't do anything worth talking about.

Clash, I am so tempted

Go on. You know you want to.

I was tempted to say lots of your female customers say the same

[halfull]

if you dont think managers will use this as another way to b&h you are wrong.

Then why aren't they doing it now?

They are But the difference now is the cwu have agreed to the basically tracking us, managers already think they are investigators, why give them another avenue to investigate & encourage it? Plus it will only be the people who do the job right that get harassed with this "new approach" to pda tracking performance!

[dvbuk55]

if you dont think managers will use this as another way to b&h you are wrong.

Then why aren't they doing it now?

Well I don't want to be obtuse and there is a method of tracking BUT at the moment it is a complex process and pretty time consuming.

[fishtank]

Go and compare this agreement to those being given outside RM.

I don't think we pay £28 million to a union to get agreements that compare with those being given outside RM.

[halfull]

Go and compare this agreement to those being given outside RM.

I don't think we pay £28 million to a union to get agreements that compare with those being given outside RM.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I see we are getting paid 6 weeks holiday money if you work for Royal Mail core operations if you get 6 weeks leave I see. Does that mean working for network section am I included in this ?

As a driver would you even get SA with all the regulations and driving laws.

[Rennie]

Why don't we rename this forum royalmailmoan?
Some peeps will never be happy no matter what.
Do your job correctly. It is so simple! If you don't like the level of pay go work for DPD or similar.
Then revisit this forum and tell all how the two jobs compare!
Great agreement! Well done under the circumstances!

[twiddledumb]

After reading this, it seems that the union screwed us (again)! What the hell do I pay my union fee's for ? The inclusion of the 'exceptional circumstances' clause makes this agreement not worth the paper it is written on. I can only presume that Moya slipped some whiskey into the CWU contingent's drink when negotiating this deal. To say it leaves posties exposed is an understatement to say the least.
I only hope that posties do not see the quick fix £££ signs and decide to vote for this agreement, before actually reading this agreement and understanding what it actually entails.

We had a perfect opportunity to put pressure on Royal mail with the threat of a strike before xmass, with competing companies ready to lap up all the new business from a strike, there was no way Royal mail could afford to not give us a decent deal. So what happens ? Those buffoons who are supposed to be representing us, sell us down the river once again ! With idiots like that representing us, what chance have we got ?