LTB 381/20 - Royal Mail & CWU National Terms of Reference on the trial of a Vehicle Check App

bogstandard · Post by **bogstandard** » 23 Jul 2020, 11:28

Jahpostie wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:
Jahpostie wrote: Once a week managers could check all vehicles or stagger it over a week.
Why would we want managers doing our jobs?
Though that is irrelevant because legally the driver is responsible for the vehicle. If you are stopped with a bald tyre you can't blame it on the manager. It is down to you.
Log books are littered with reoccurring issues. You complain to a manager and they just say there isn't another van. I realise I'm onto a loser here, but if say a manager has to sign for the roadworthiness of the fleet once a week then issues may get resolved.

If in your opinion it's not roadworthy then until a mechanic says it is and puts it back on the road it's not roadworthy. Just ask yourself this, who is responsible for the vehicle once you're on the public roads, the person driving it or their manager? All omv check times must be factored into your working day if you are the driver of the vehicle. Ideally, i would go see my rep if i were you. However the choice is yours, as it is with performing vehicle checks.

k979aaa · Post by **k979aaa** » 25 Jul 2020, 01:29

bogstandard wrote:
Jahpostie wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:
Jahpostie wrote: Once a week managers could check all vehicles or stagger it over a week.
Why would we want managers doing our jobs?
Though that is irrelevant because legally the driver is responsible for the vehicle. If you are stopped with a bald tyre you can't blame it on the manager. It is down to you.
Log books are littered with reoccurring issues. You complain to a manager and they just say there isn't another van. I realise I'm onto a loser here, but if say a manager has to sign for the roadworthiness of the fleet once a week then issues may get resolved.
If in your opinion it's not roadworthy then until a mechanic says it is and puts it back on the road it's not roadworthy. Just ask yourself this, who is responsible for the vehicle once you're on the public roads, the person driving it or their manager? All omv check times must be factored into your working day if you are the driver of the vehicle. Ideally, i would go see my rep if i were you. However the choice is yours, as it is with performing vehicle checks.

Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!

2yearpostie · Post by **2yearpostie** » 25 Jul 2020, 15:35

Queue everyone signing the van off for a fault and no walks going out..

Grumpyoldmailman · Post by **Grumpyoldmailman** » 25 Jul 2020, 18:06

Sounds like a good idea to me. I hope they build a function in so you can take pictures on all the damage. Call me a saddo but I always check over every vehicle that isn’t my regular van. Those Fiats are the worst they never seem to have any oil in them when I goto use one and they wonder why the engines seize!!! Last week a lady who has been with us 3 years asked me what I was doing when I had my head under the bonnet, she was shocked when I said I was checking the oil. As has been said above do your van checks, it’s part of your jobs.

bogstandard · Post by **bogstandard** » 27 Jul 2020, 10:00

k979aaa wrote:
bogstandard wrote:
Jahpostie wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:
Jahpostie wrote: Once a week managers could check all vehicles or stagger it over a week.
Why would we want managers doing our jobs?
Though that is irrelevant because legally the driver is responsible for the vehicle. If you are stopped with a bald tyre you can't blame it on the manager. It is down to you.
Log books are littered with reoccurring issues. You complain to a manager and they just say there isn't another van. I realise I'm onto a loser here, but if say a manager has to sign for the roadworthiness of the fleet once a week then issues may get resolved.
If in your opinion it's not roadworthy then until a mechanic says it is and puts it back on the road it's not roadworthy. Just ask yourself this, who is responsible for the vehicle once you're on the public roads, the person driving it or their manager? All omv check times must be factored into your working day if you are the driver of the vehicle. Ideally, i would go see my rep if i were you. However the choice is yours, as it is with performing vehicle checks.
Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!

i would imagine in the instances described this would hold the field.
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Post by **Sugar** » 28 Jul 2020, 09:56

k979aaa wrote:Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!

Did just that with one of the vans I used. About 5 entries into log book that the engine was knocking and didn't do a thing (no real surprise there) then when it seized up out on delivery guess who got a grilling over it?

I'll give you a clue it wasn't the managers!!!!!!!

Seen managers send vans out that have been in a crash, had side door held in place with hazard tape and another that had no working seat-belts.

Clearing office overrides everything.

wallan · Post by **wallan** » 28 Jul 2020, 10:11

Sugar wrote:
k979aaa wrote:Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!
Did just that with one of the vans I used. About 5 entries into log book that the engine was knocking and didn't do a thing (no real surprise there) then when it seized up out on delivery guess who got a grilling over it?

I'll give you a clue it wasn't the managers!!!!!!!

Seen managers send vans out that have been in a crash, had side door held in place with hazard tape and another that had no working seat-belts.

Clearing office overrides everything.

engine knocking , apart from logging it , did any body report it to the workshop , vehicle checks / fault reporting should be done on line to the workshop , it would be up to them to decide if the vehicle was serviceable

bogstandard · Post by **bogstandard** » 28 Jul 2020, 11:13

Had someone transfer to our office who believed that all they had to do was tell the person in the key locker of the fault, as this was what they did at their previous office.
Trying to get them to fill out a PMT 1 form was an experience not to be repeated, but they knew how to fill it out They refused to accept this was RM protocol and what they had been doing was not and continued to reference their previous office. Our Key locker person ask them to fill it in this one time and that if in future they wanted to do what they did at their previous office they would need to go and work there.

bogstandard · Post by **bogstandard** » 28 Jul 2020, 11:23

For clarity to put a vehicle off the road you NEED to fill out a PMT1 form. Only a skilled person employed by RM (mechanic or similar) can authorise it's return to service. To throw a little bit of black onto the white background (or vise versa if you prefer) and create some lovely grey areas. All OMV faults that require the attention of the mechanic need a PMT 1 form, but not all faults would result in the vehicle being removed from service

If you reasonably think the vehicle is unsafe and a danger to yourself and other road users and pedestrians put it off the road using the PMT1 form, your manager who races BMX's/rollerskates/go carts/shopping trolleys at the weekend in a semi professional manner cannot overrule this without serious consequences

Post by **Sugar** » 28 Jul 2020, 13:30

wallan wrote:
Sugar wrote:
k979aaa wrote:Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!
Did just that with one of the vans I used. About 5 entries into log book that the engine was knocking and didn't do a thing (no real surprise there) then when it seized up out on delivery guess who got a grilling over it?

I'll give you a clue it wasn't the managers!!!!!!!

Seen managers send vans out that have been in a crash, had side door held in place with hazard tape and another that had no working seat-belts.

Clearing office overrides everything.
engine knocking , apart from logging it , did any body report it to the workshop , vehicle checks / fault reporting should be done on line to the workshop , it would be up to them to decide if the vehicle was serviceable

As far as I know all the drivers reported it to managers personally, filled in log book and PMT1 form.

Remember this is royal fail only short term fixes or ignoring it in the hope it goes away is managements mantra.

wallan · Post by **wallan** » 28 Jul 2020, 14:04

Sugar wrote:
wallan wrote:
Sugar wrote:
k979aaa wrote:Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!
Did just that with one of the vans I used. About 5 entries into log book that the engine was knocking and didn't do a thing (no real surprise there) then when it seized up out on delivery guess who got a grilling over it?

I'll give you a clue it wasn't the managers!!!!!!!

Seen managers send vans out that have been in a crash, had side door held in place with hazard tape and another that had no working seat-belts.

Clearing office overrides everything.
engine knocking , apart from logging it , did any body report it to the workshop , vehicle checks / fault reporting should be done on line to the workshop , it would be up to them to decide if the vehicle was serviceable
As far as I know all the drivers reported it to managers personally, filled in log book and PMT1 form.

Remember this is royal fail only short term fixes or ignoring it in the hope it goes away is managements mantra.

Fill in the Log Book as now , Fill in the PMT1 on line , copied to the DOM & Workshop Manager , you are not relying on some one else to report it
I know the score , i had 39 years of it

Post by **Sugar** » 28 Jul 2020, 15:41

wallan wrote:
Sugar wrote:
wallan wrote:
Sugar wrote:
k979aaa wrote:Be very interesting if a managers says it's fit and OK if you find fault with it would it not show they are incompetent or just a someone who is reluctant with the truth/facts!
Did just that with one of the vans I used. About 5 entries into log book that the engine was knocking and didn't do a thing (no real surprise there) then when it seized up out on delivery guess who got a grilling over it?

I'll give you a clue it wasn't the managers!!!!!!!

Seen managers send vans out that have been in a crash, had side door held in place with hazard tape and another that had no working seat-belts.

Clearing office overrides everything.
engine knocking , apart from logging it , did any body report it to the workshop , vehicle checks / fault reporting should be done on line to the workshop , it would be up to them to decide if the vehicle was serviceable
As far as I know all the drivers reported it to managers personally, filled in log book and PMT1 form.

Remember this is royal fail only short term fixes or ignoring it in the hope it goes away is managements mantra.
Fill in the Log Book as now , Fill in the PMT1 on line , copied to the DOM & Workshop Manager , you are not relying on some one else to report it
I know the score , i had 39 years of it

Mate I've left this craphole of a company, I was highlighting the fact that it's been going on for years and will still be going on for years and years. Nothing ever changes and never will till either something very serious happens or the workforce wake up, grow a pair of bolloc£s and a spine, do the job by the numbers and make managers do what they are paid to do which is manage.

Davey-Jones · Post by **Davey-Jones** » 14 Aug 2020, 09:22

If you don't do your checks and are pulled over for a brake light out or bald tyre then it will be you with the points fines etc... RM will not back you as you're supposed to check.

twoloops · Post by **twoloops** » 15 Jul 2021, 15:29

We have no outside tap or any watering can to top up or fill our screen wash bottle, on this weeks weekly check It took 52 screen wash sachets to fill my bottle! Got to use your nogging in this job

2yearpostie · Post by **2yearpostie** » 15 Jul 2021, 17:23

twoloops wrote: ↑
15 Jul 2021, 15:29
We have no outside tap or any watering can to top up or fill our screen wash bottle, on this weeks weekly check It took 52 screen wash sachets to fill my bottle! Got to use your nogging in this job

you have a kettle in the canteen dont you?

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