Ivermectin

[Caesar]

It appears that Ivermectin is showing signs as being a useful drug in the fight of covid19. It's been used since around 1975 and is often used for parasites.
I don't believe that it's been approved in the UK yet but there are trials going on in the USA that could prove to be positive in the fight especially as many people have still got a long wait for the vaccine.

[knackeredneedadayoff]

Its had human trials already see Dr pierre Kory talking to congress on youtube,it was given to 800 Argentinian care workers where 58% are affected ,not one was sick ,with it costing peanuts to make the drug agencies are not going to approve it giving excuses .The us has announced 1.5 trillion to combat covid ,the media budget just for the uk would cure the world.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Actually, it's being researched in the UK https://app.croneri.co.uk/whats-new/bri ... t-covid-19

[wandle]

The beneficial effects of some drugs on conditions for which they were not originally developed is a well documented phenomenon.
Here is a report on the efficacy of Ivermectin on malaria, from 2010.
Check out the name of one of the co-authors.
Yet he hasn’t thought to instigate proper clinical trials? If he’d done so back at the beginning of the virus appearing in the UK, we could maybe have had an effective (and cheap) treatment that may have saved lives

https://academic.oup.com/jid/article/20 ... chresult=1

[ripio]

Why shouLd he have thought to instigate clinical trials.
His paper was on its use against malaria, a parasitic infection of the blood.
Its a fair leap to imagine it as potentially effective against a viral illness like covid.
Obviously somebody made that leap but you can't really criticise Chris Whitty for not making it.

[Caesar]

I recently watched a video by Dr Sam Bailey talking to the co author of the book "Virus Mania" Dr Claus Kohnlein. He claims to have had access to WHO studies, started in March 2020 were the anti malaria drug "Hydroxychloroquine" was used.
He goes on to say that the drug is claimed to be safe when used at the right dose but during the study, the safe dose was increased.

[sindba]

Caesar, you do know that this is a Postal Workers' forum?

Just wondering why you would start a thread rambling aimlessly about obscure drugs on here?

[Caesar]

Caesar, you do know that this is a Postal Workers' forum?

Just wondering why you would start a thread rambling aimlessly about obscure drugs on here?

Yes, I'm well aware that it's a postal workers forum. I'm a postal worker posting in the "Coronavirus Discussion" thread.

[wandle]

New study again seems to confirm Ivermectin is a cheap and effective treatment
https://m.timesofindia.com/city/bhubane ... 058220.cms

The AIIMS then started administering ivermectin to healthcare workers – two doses in a 72-hour interval – after reviewing the available literature. It was voluntary. The infections fell sharply.
“We found that those who received two doses of ivermectin had 73% less chance of getting infected for the next one month. We are confident it can be an effective tool to check the infection spread,” Batmanabane told TOI.

[Caesar]

I haven't come across a negative study yet but they all tend to involve low numbers of test candidates.
I suppose that one drawback with the wide spread usage would be that it could make people less likely to want the vaccination.

[Woody Guthrie]

I haven't come across a negative study yet but they all tend to involve low numbers of test candidates.
I suppose that one drawback with the wide spread usage would be that it could make people less likely to want the vaccination.

Another would be that widespread use could lead to treatment resistant strains.
Not just treatment with this, treatment with anything.

[wandle]

I haven't come across a negative study yet but they all tend to involve low numbers of test candidates.
I suppose that one drawback with the wide spread usage would be that it could make people less likely to want the vaccination.

Another would be that widespread use could lead to treatment resistant strains.
Not just treatment with this, treatment with anything.

True, but it’s slightly illogical to NOT treat a patient with something that appears to be effective, on the basis that the thing that is killing people may develop a resistance to that treatment.

[Woody Guthrie]

I'm not arguing against its use in limited circumstances where standard treatment is ineffective.

I'm arguing against hailing it as a wonder drug and giving it to anyone with a sniffle.

[Caesar]

I haven't come across a negative study yet but they all tend to involve low numbers of test candidates.
I suppose that one drawback with the wide spread usage would be that it could make people less likely to want the vaccination.

Another would be that widespread use could lead to treatment resistant strains.
Not just treatment with this, treatment with anything.

True, but it’s slightly illogical to NOT treat a patient with something that appears to be effective, on the basis that the thing that is killing people may develop a resistance to that treatment.

Also, the vaccines have been fast tracked due to the emergency status without all the usual long term testing. I agree, for those that have faith in vaccines that these measures are nessessary but I would also expect the same emergency when considering a tried and tested drug, although not specifically for covid, when the limited studies are showing positive results.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I haven't come across a negative study yet but they all tend to involve low numbers of test candidates.
I suppose that one drawback with the wide spread usage would be that it could make people less likely to want the vaccination.

Another would be that widespread use could lead to treatment resistant strains.
Not just treatment with this, treatment with anything.

True, but it’s slightly illogical to NOT treat a patient with something that appears to be effective, on the basis that the thing that is killing people may develop a resistance to that treatment.

Also, the vaccines have been fast tracked due to the emergency status without all the usual long term testing. I agree, for those that have faith in vaccines that these measures are nessessary but I would also expect the same emergency when considering a tried and tested drug, although not specifically for covid, when the limited studies are showing positive results.

Yes, you can as an ordinary citizen think that or even expect that. However, I prefer to defer to medical experts and virologist and expect them to make an informed and balanced decision/recommendation. After all I don't have the training, knowledge, time or qualifications to be able to read up on all the evidence available for what is a demanding and evolving issue or make sense of all the possible treatment options available.