Boris

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 25 May 2020, 17:43

Farking idiot speaks:

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postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 25 May 2020, 18:40

The media have done their level best to crucify him. How many ways can you ask the same question and to his credit he sat there very,very uncomfortably trying to answer them all.

Why on earth would you try and see if you could drive if you thought your eyesight was bad

and why drive back down to London?? Surely he could have worked from his second home?

There's a lot of people who dislike him want him to either resign or be sacked for their own reasons. But let's be honest we didn't really have a proper lockdown did we?

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 25 May 2020, 18:53

He's a sociopathic liar Pete.There is no credit due him.

You don't drive 250 miles for childcare, you drive 250 miles because your dad owns an estate and if you're going to self isolate you might as well do it in style.

You don't check your eyesight by driving 30 miles. He went to the castle for his wife's birthday, nothing to do with a sudden attack of Mr Magoo syndrome.

The very worst part as with any betrayal of trust and subsequent blatant lying is that he takes us all for idiots.

The media are not trying to crucify him, they're trying to hold him to account. There's a lot of people want him sacked because he's a lying arrogant hypocrite, if that's their 'own reasons' then those are sound enough.

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 25 May 2020, 19:43

Not surprising that an online petition has now started.

Change.org: Dominic Cummings Must Resign or be Fired for his Breach of Lockdown Rules

Joseph Patrick started this petition to Boris Johnson (Prime Minister) and 1 other

"The PM's chief aide Dominic Cummings is facing calls to resign after it emerged he travelled from London to his parents' home in Durham with coronavirus symptoms during lockdown. Mr Cummings and his wife, who was also unwell, stayed at his parents' home while self-isolating." (BBC News.)

People have missed loved ones funerals, families separated. Grandparents not able to see grandchildren. We've been asked to sacrifice so much yet the most senior advisor to the PM thinks the rules don't apply to him. He must go!

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DICKIEG · Post by **DICKIEG** » 26 May 2020, 16:18

People keep on about the 250 miles he drove, but surely it was over 500 miles if you include the trip back to London and his eye check (

) at the castle. And correct me if I'm wrong but weren't the symptoms to look out for at that time, a sore throat, a cough or a high temperature.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 26 May 2020, 17:26

Murdoch wrote:
Woody Guthrie wrote:That's what a populist does. Populism didn't begin with Trump and Boris and it won't end with them either.
This is a valid point.

Often, I look at what is happening in the UK and US and the current populist leaders, by thinking of them as the catalysts stirring up a populist mood as if they are the ones creating it. But I've also frequently said, that a nation gets the leaders they deserve (in a democratically elected country of course).

The undercurrent of feeling in the west, and the dysfunctional society that has caused the current trend towards electing populists remains unchanged. So unless we do start to reject it (I remain hopeful on this), and public discourse starts to improve. We could quite as easily continue blaming the Chinese, and immigrants or the EU or whoever is misdirected as being the root of the problem, and double down on the populism.

Populism and Jeremy Corbyn never went hand in hand. Millions of voters like me already made up their mind that he wasn't to be trusted with Britain's economy. He couldn't explain his tax policy, sort out the anti-seminism thing or even decide whether to champion leave or remain so the public naturally had doubts over how he would run the country. Businesses and even workers were wondering how they could have a shorter working week with no loss in pay without companies going bust. Often its not populism that wins; its the fact that the voters simply cannot vote for someone who has made themselves virtually unelectable. Keir Starmer is in the right place, right now. He doesn't have to say or do anything because the economy is now in sh*t street due to coronavirus and someone will be to blame. We could quite as easily blame Dominic Cummings, for example and double down on the populism.

Post by **Murdoch** » 26 May 2020, 18:14

postslippete wrote: Populism and Jeremy Corbyn never went hand in hand. Millions of voters like me already made up their mind that he wasn't to be trusted with Britain's economy. He couldn't explain his tax policy, sort out the anti-seminism thing or even decide whether to champion leave or remain so the public naturally had doubts over how he would run the country. Businesses and even workers were wondering how they could have a shorter working week with no loss in pay without companies going bust. Often its not populism that wins; its the fact that the voters simply cannot vote for someone who has made themselves virtually unelectable. Keir Starmer is in the right place, right now. He doesn't have to say or do anything because the economy is now in sh*t street due to coronavirus and someone will be to blame. We could quite as easily blame Dominic Cummings, for example and double down on the populism.

Many would argue that Corbyn is just a failed populist.

His "anti-elite", "redistribution of wealth", "of the people" rhetoric just didn't connect with the British public.

Woody Guthrie · Post by **Woody Guthrie** » 26 May 2020, 20:35

Corbyn’s message was far too complicated to be populist.

Populism isn't necessarily a dirty word.
To win an election you have to be the most popular party under whatever particular system used but you have to keep it simple, that's not because the people are particularly stupid but because the more complex the message the more varied the interpretation becomes.

That doesn't mean that the ideas behind the message can't be complex but the message must be clear.

The left in general and Labour in particular has lost many elections because they have a tendency to message by committee and being a party of equality means everyone has to have equal input into the message.

The result is often well meaning but unintelligible garbage.

Post by **Murdoch** » 26 May 2020, 20:48

Woody Guthrie wrote: The result is often well meaning but unintelligible garbage.

Haha, yeah, I mean I said "failed" for a reason.

The point I was making was that both parties attempted the "us against them" narrative that underpins a core element of "populism". Both tried to play their role as a man "of the people" standing up against a "corrupt elite".

But I take your point that more generally, all politicians have to have an element of populism, in order to get elected. So of course, you can throw the word around, and the definition of populism can at that point become meaningless.

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 27 May 2020, 17:48

The Tale of Dominic Cummings:

PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 27 May 2020, 17:59

An even bigger petition: Dominic Cummings Must Be Sacked

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PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 27 May 2020, 18:03

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PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 28 May 2020, 20:23

The Guardian (May 28, 2020): Dominic Cummings Potentially Broke Lockdown Rules, Say Durham Police

Cummings’ 52-mile round trip to the beauty spot of Barnard Castle on 12 April from his family’s Durham farm has been assessed by police as a potential minor breach of health protection regulations. He has said he made the journey with his wife and son to test his eyesight ahead of his drive back to London the following day.

The statement by Durham police says Cummings did not break the law when he drove from London to Durham on 27 March but it makes clear that police did not consider whether it breached government guidance to “stay at home.”

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PostmanBitesDog · Post by **PostmanBitesDog** » 28 May 2020, 20:39

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postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 29 May 2020, 18:45

Never mind that

When is Boris going to let us go to the barbers? My hair is looking as messed up as his