Vaccine for Covid-19 would you take it?

[aiden01]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

And while your at it visit your local hospital an ask the doctors an nurses how they are coping.

[rambo1]

Listening to radio 5live the other day, had a woman on that was due an operation in march to remove a cancerous growth on her lung. Got cancelled. Because of covid. Now the cancer has spread to her brain. Try telling her two young children their mums gonna die because of trying to save people over the age of 75-80 from covid. It's just not right. It's just not.

[aiden01]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

I think he meant are they strictly from covid? Could it be they had another underlying condition that could have lead to death?

Well only he can answer that even if he did covid is obviously the reason thats going to be on there death certificate .. because they have an underlying condition doesnt mean they might have lived for years without getting covid.

[aiden01]

Listening to radio 5live the other day, had a woman on that was due an operation in march to remove a cancerous growth on her lung. Got cancelled. Because of covid. Now the cancer has spread to her brain. Try telling her two young children their mums gonna die because of trying to save people over the age of 75-80 from covid. It's just not right. It's just not.

So if your old just let them die honestly i give up no hope in this world.

[rambo1]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

And while your at it visit your local hospital an ask the doctors an nurses how they are coping.

Most of the doctors at the hospital my wife works at say we are the national health service, not the national covid service. There will be more deaths from other things not being treated than the covid death rate which is overwhelmingly an age group that let's face it, didn't have too many yrs in them anyway.

[rambo1]

Listening to radio 5live the other day, had a woman on that was due an operation in march to remove a cancerous growth on her lung. Got cancelled. Because of covid. Now the cancer has spread to her brain. Try telling her two young children their mums gonna die because of trying to save people over the age of 75-80 from covid. It's just not right. It's just not.

So if your old just let them die honestly i give up no hope in this world.

Would most grand parents give up their life at say 80, for the life of their children or grandchildren? I bet the% who would say yes is pretty high.

[aiden01]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

And while your at it visit your local hospital an ask the doctors an nurses how they are coping.

Most of the doctors at the hospital my wife works at say we are the national health service, not the national covid service. There will be more deaths from other things not being treated than the covid death rate which is overwhelmingly an age group that let's face it, didn't have too many yrs in them anyway.

So your point is if your over 75 just let them die very sad every life is precious surely.

[rambo1]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

And while your at it visit your local hospital an ask the doctors an nurses how they are coping.

Most of the doctors at the hospital my wife works at say we are the national health service, not the national covid service. There will be more deaths from other things not being treated than the covid death rate which is overwhelmingly an age group that let's face it, didn't have too many yrs in them anyway.

So your point is if your over 75 just let them die very sad every life is precious surely.

Instead of spending the astronomical amount of money on furlough they should have knocked up more nightingale hospitals in readiness for a second and third and fourth wave to take the covid patients and let the world just get on with life. If you felt vulnerable then take extra precautions but no body lives forever. Something is gonna get ya. It's a fact of life. Most old and or people with underlying conditions many of which are self inflicted with lifestyle choices will not come out of hospital if they go in with covid, or so we're told. They need to get back to screening and diagnosing and treating treatable conditions in hospitals now , it's gone on too long. I'm not saying it's not sad. It's a question of priority. If my wife died because she couldn't get treated for something curable because the hospital was prioritizing dying people on ventilation , I'd be beside myself.

[shaun2urz]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

And while your at it visit your local hospital an ask the doctors an nurses how they are coping.

Most of the doctors at the hospital my wife works at say we are the national health service, not the national covid service. There will be more deaths from other things not being treated than the covid death rate which is overwhelmingly an age group that let's face it, didn't have too many yrs in them anyway.

So your point is if your over 75 just let them die very sad every life is precious surely.

So your point is elderly people take precedence over younger cancer patients? Even the elderly won't agree with you there. Rambo1 knew exactly the point I was making about the 'daily deaths' as reported by the mainstream media........he seems to be one of the few on here that doesn't actually need to be spoonfed faeces to know how bad it tastes.....

[k979aaa]

367 deaths

..............apparently

Wtf ask the families of the bereaved

And while your at it visit your local hospital an ask the doctors an nurses how they are coping.

Most of the doctors at the hospital my wife works at say we are the national health service, not the national covid service. There will be more deaths from other things not being treated than the covid death rate which is overwhelmingly an age group that let's face it, didn't have too many yrs in them anyway.

So your point is if your over 75 just let them die very sad every life is precious surely.

The government actively did so with ill old folk in hospitals and shipped them into care homes without testing them ask Matt Hancock!

[k979aaa]

Well given that the study in the lancet said antibodies are not long lasting and have done very little if any research into T-cell immunity would a vaccine work? what if it does not work? will we all die horribly? or will life find away and carry on? Well I have some SAGE advice take what SAGE says with a pinch of salt throw it over your shoulder and carry on doing what you were doing!

[RTP]

The only thing i agree with out of most of the nonsense of the latest page in this thread is the bit about the forlough. The window of opportunity has passed and passed about a month ago.

That was the time to lock down again while it was still active, but it ends this weekend and won't come back now and I get that we cant keep it going or keep locking down. However locking down a month ago would have seen us in a better place come mid November and December. Come early New Year there is then the glimmer of hope of a vaccine being rolled out.

[k979aaa]

The only thing i agree with out of most of the nonsense of the latest page in this thread is the bit about the forlough. The window of opportunity has passed and passed about a month ago.

That was the time to lock down again while it was still active, but it ends this weekend and won't come back now and I get that we cant keep it going or keep locking down. However locking down a month ago would have seen us in a better place come mid November and December. Come early New Year there is then the glimmer of hope of a vaccine being rolled out.

The vaccine may not work they said as much today in the Lancet medical news paper but life has fought this viruses without medical science since the dawn of time. I am not so gloomy about our chances of us all well most of us all making it through this virus. Science has never made a vaccine for a cold virus so I do not believe they can do this now otherwise it would have been done already and it has not!

[Woody Guthrie]

There's plenty paranoia on here but nobody can come up with a sensible reason why the smart doctor people, the really smart professor people, the politicians and the entire media, the WHO and the CDC and almost every government and agency around the world from Australia to Zimbabwe, the CIA, the FSB, Bodie, Doyle and Inspector Gadget are involved in some deep state cover up.

What’s in it for this giant web of conspiracy?
They can't all have shares in Astra Zeneca.

[k979aaa]

Maybe the solution to climate change is one of depopulation as they don't need humans to fight wars now or produce the products of the nations in a global world economy and the fact they would end up paying for our health social care pensions and basic income is that the human race is just to costly for the global elite. And they don't need us one way or another what if their was a global pandemic and all the governments spent all the money in the world 5 times over they would not have pensions health care or unemployment benefits and a cash less society would lead to the control of those who don't have these basic benefits. Not saying it is happening but unless someone has a magic money tree it will be the case you cannot borrow your way out of this as every nation is borrowing who will lend us all this money?