Mon to Fri

[HTPostman]

Don't forget the LAT strategy that they want to implement also. People might be happy with a Mon-Fri as a duty holder but the next step will surely be the removal of 'big' parcels from duties and then the collapsing of walks, and who's to say your walk isn't the '1 in 6' that goes.

People who are happy to see 1/6th of the workforce disappear, as long as they get every Saturday off, are the reason we are in this position right now. Selfish c***s.

There are quite a few of us reserves who are of course happy to work Monday to Friday because otherwise we never know what our day off is from week to week and can't plan our lives accordingly.

I don't think that we are selfish c***s.

For quite a while now the union and other full timers have ignored the rights of us part time reserves as its all about protecting their status quo. All union meetings held before our start time. The campaigns all about protecting the rights of the full timers.

I didn't think they were selfish c***s. It was just all about vested interests as it always is.

Well now maybe its a taste of your own medicine.

I recently had a FT, who’d started a good hour and a half before me and was on his packets as I walked in, say ‘why don’t you hurry up then’ when I said I’ve my frame to prep and nowhere near my parcels so you might not want to tie up yet. On the odd occasion I’m ahead of those on adjacent rounds, I bring their packets round and ask if they want me to have a quick look through. Maybe I’m just a goody 2 shoes.

If I have to do my 5 hours a day and not get any OT I’ll survive - no arguing each week about not being paid OT correctly. If I have to take Saturday, or Tuesday as a fixed day off, so be it, much easier to plan my week. If Rico and co decides my job is starting at 1pm permanently, no problem, I get a nice lazy morning and can plan things better.

I get the feeling for most of us PT staff, as long as we have a job we will adapt a lot more easier than FT colleagues, those with ‘easy’ rounds and people on flyers and doing ghost OT.

Disclaimer: I’ve no issue in general with FT staff, I get on with most of them and maybe I’m jealous that I do as much work as them but have to faff about every day making sure my OT is down correctly.

[HTPostman]

I’m in the same boat as you mate. Same hours and duration of employment. I really just want to know if I will still have a job after all this. I'm not fussed about OT, I'm happy working my P/T hours only as I do enjoy my job.

I think it’s more likely jobs will be lost through natural wastage, but I get the feeling if management do cut jobs, they won’t be targeting those on 25 hrs, lower paid, more flexible, who are mostly younger.

In a way no OT makes the job simpler for you and me, no more having to fight to get it added to the sheet, having to guess how much you’ll need when you’re on a round blind, then going to fill it in later and finding out it’s been done wrong or ‘accidentally’ missed off.

[postman_jack]

If job losses are needed some of this will be natural wastage but if you got an office where that is not possible and they need forced redundancies , it’s the junior people that will go. Less service means , less compensation. RM might even go down that route anyway, we don’t know. So my message is nobody is 100% safe in terms of job security.

[smok3y666]

What's the union's position on what we should be doing?

Is the unions advice that us posties should agree to this or rebel?

They've said carry on as normal and do not do what RM want then gone quiet like usual ever since preumably becuase it's not their job on the line.

[clashcityrocker]

it’s the junior people that will go.

Every revision I have ever seen in RM has been about removing indoor hours.
Less letters and increased automation has meant there is less need for indoor hours.
If (and that is a very big if) there are compulsory redundancies it will be the full time jobs that go. As they have been going by the thousands for the past few years anyway through VR and natural wastage.

[FacesOfStone]

it’s the junior people that will go.

Every revision I have ever seen in RM has been about removing indoor hours.
Less letters and increased automation has meant there is less need for indoor hours.
If (and that is a very big if) there are compulsory redundancies it will be the full time jobs that go. As they have been going by the thousands for the past few years anyway through VR and natural wastage.

Could they potentially say to a full-timer “you can keep your job, but due to operational needs, have to take a reduction to 20 hours”?

[DGH]

it’s the junior people that will go.

Every revision I have ever seen in RM has been about removing indoor hours.
Less letters and increased automation has meant there is less need for indoor hours.
If (and that is a very big if) there are compulsory redundancies it will be the full time jobs that go. As they have been going by the thousands for the past few years anyway through VR and natural wastage.

Could they potentially say to a full-timer “you can keep your job, but due to operational needs, have to take a reduction to 20 hours”?

They could offer a reduction in hours but there are some cost savings that can be made by simply getting rid of a full timer and replacing him with a part timer rather than by reducing his hours. There's also the fact that a reasonable number of full timers are unable or unwilling to drive and that the newer part time contracts allow RM far more 'flexibility'.

I'd say it's almost certain there will be redundancies - when RM sent mid-tier managers around the offices recently, the one who came to hours admitted as much. However I think anyone imagining a 2 x salary pay off like last time round is in cuckoo-land.

[Dex7]

What is natural wastage?

[bucks123]

What is natural wastage?

It's when staff reductions are achieved by not replacing people who leave the business. Providing the churn rate of staff is high enough for these savings to be achieved in the required timescales then redundancies can be avoided (talking generally here not about any specific company).

[themailman]

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[FacesOfStone]

it’s the junior people that will go.

Every revision I have ever seen in RM has been about removing indoor hours.
Less letters and increased automation has meant there is less need for indoor hours.
If (and that is a very big if) there are compulsory redundancies it will be the full time jobs that go. As they have been going by the thousands for the past few years anyway through VR and natural wastage.

Could they potentially say to a full-timer “you can keep your job, but due to operational needs, have to take a reduction to 20 hours”?

They could offer a reduction in hours but there are some cost savings that can be made by simply getting rid of a full timer and replacing him with a part timer rather than by reducing his hours. There's also the fact that a reasonable number of full timers are unable or unwilling to drive and that the newer part time contracts allow RM far more 'flexibility'.

I'd say it's almost certain there will be redundancies - when RM sent mid-tier managers around the offices recently, the one who came to hours admitted as much. However I think anyone imagining a 2 x salary pay off like last time round is in cuckoo-land.

In the event of redundancies, I wouldn’t be surprised to see them offering the base 26 weeks across the board, but with a gloomy “while we are currently able to make a generous and industry leading offer to our people, in this post-coronavirus world tough decisions will have to be made down the road if we cannot meet our savings target” attached to it in order to increase take up from those who are terrified of being dumped straight onto the dole.

[2yearpostie]

So, current duty and attendance plans for tomorrow?
What if I go in tomorrow at usual time and a reserve member of staff has been told to deliver parcels only on my duty?
Do I just stand there?

if your due to go in, go in. if your rota is you off tomorrow stay at home. If you go in your DOM will tell you what you are doing . if you refuse they have been told to go down the discipline route.

[LaggyBand]

So, current duty and attendance plans for tomorrow?
What if I go in tomorrow at usual time and a reserve member of staff has been told to deliver parcels only on my duty?
Do I just stand there?

if your due to go in, go in. if your rota is you off tomorrow stay at home. If you go in your DOM will tell you what you are doing . if you refuse they have been told to go down the discipline route.

You know they’ve been told to discipline do you? Handy to know before people make their decision

[2yearpostie]

So, current duty and attendance plans for tomorrow?
What if I go in tomorrow at usual time and a reserve member of staff has been told to deliver parcels only on my duty?
Do I just stand there?

if your due to go in, go in. if your rota is you off tomorrow stay at home. If you go in your DOM will tell you what you are doing . if you refuse they have been told to go down the discipline route.

You know they’ve been told to discipline do you? Handy to know before people make their decision

yep. instructions are to ask us to do xyz, if we refuse tell us to take ten minutes to reconsider, if we still refuse send home and go down the suspended route.

[gb93]

So, current duty and attendance plans for tomorrow?
What if I go in tomorrow at usual time and a reserve member of staff has been told to deliver parcels only on my duty?
Do I just stand there?

if your due to go in, go in. if your rota is you off tomorrow stay at home. If you go in your DOM will tell you what you are doing . if you refuse they have been told to go down the discipline route.

You know they’ve been told to discipline do you? Handy to know before people make their decision

Well that's what we were told too