Is Dave Ward the worst CWU leader ever?

[twiddledumb]

So reading the comment from Dave Ward about getting posties to be care in the community so RM could make more profits and then the terrible deal he put to the membership and the complete absence of any union putting pressure on RM to protect its workers throughout the pandemic. I have to ask is Dave Ward the worst CWU leader their has been? I think he is. The man is completely out of touch with posties and what we want. Probably because he cannot be bothered to ask us. RM can't believe how lucky they are to have him as CWU leader.

[deltaforce]

The deal was passed by the executive for ballot and then 90% or so who bothered to vote accepted it. If it was that bad a deal, executive would have thrown it out.

[cobrakai]

The deal was passed by the executive for ballot and then 90% or so who bothered to vote accepted it. If it was that bad a deal, executive would have thrown it out.

You do realise that the executive is literally made up of Dave and Terrys mates. Oh and Dave and Terry

[aiden01]

The deal was passed by the executive for ballot and then 90% or so who bothered to vote accepted it. If it was that bad a deal, executive would have thrown it out.

You do realise that the executive is literally made up of Dave and Terrys mates. Oh and Dave and Terry

So anyone who voted yes are mates of dave an terry then?? and dont forget its actually posties who vote to elect the pec.

[lostinspace]

Why not put in for the job??? I'm sure you could do better. Lol

[Martin Walsh]

What a load of rubbish.

1. Who do you think applied pressure on the Government to ensure that when Royal Mail cancelled the USO in the summer to change it back. Be in no doubt Rico Back wanted the change to be permanent. The CWU who were meeting the Minster made this an issue and as a result there was power struggle in the board and Rico got sacked.

2. Let’s be clear you might moan a lot but do you really think that getting the company to put 358 million in a deal when the company declared a loss of 167 million in November is a failure.

3. With letters declining , and the CSS machines which records volumes and the use of CSS demonstrating this , than why would the union not look at other markets to create and maintain jobs going forward.

4. Parcels are going to grow even further as sadly the. High street stores continue to collapse or go on line. So if we want to capture parcels to protect jobs , wages and pensions than we have to adept to what the big customers want ie more tracked , deliveries across the day and on Sundays.

5. The Agreement which this union has secured is the best opportunity to protect jobs , improve culture and protect terms and conditions. There is no other show in town.

6. The car industry, the print industry , the docks and the mining communities saw a combination of technology, changes in need and Government policy change those great industries forever .

7. This is why this agreement needs to be moved forward as Royal Mail have down dialled their proposal in September which was that for any pay deal the union had to sign up to 12 job losses. Now we have an agreement where in processing due to agency spend there is unlikely to be any VRs and in delivery offices limited VR opportunities compared to previous expectations.

I known Dave for over 30 years and in my view you can’t ask for a better leader.

[andyman606]

Why don't we get paid at least our hourly rate for overtime if not more?
Why has none of the concerns of the part time staff been addressed such as bullying & harrassment and the fact they are doing most of the work whilst other full time members are doing less hours a day than part time staff for full time wages.
What about the culture of no one believing you are actually sick and issue of giving stages out even if you have a heart attack or your leg snaps?
Management's favouritism and ghosting deals whilst harrasing less senior staff to take on more work work faster complete whilst both manager and senior staff have gone home hours before such staff.
Culture of no respect for workforce and used like disposable work horses if anything goes wrong with your body.
No protection from the worst yet to come.....but yeah it's a great agreement for everyone especially those at the bottom of the pile.....
Wait and see who suffers first in the office's with the old local agreements bet it's the mugs that are ignored all the time and that is probably why they didn't bother to vote the forgotten 47% because they are no longer represented.

[Woody Guthrie]

There is no other show in town.

That sadly sums the whole thing up Martin.

The union needs change, it's stale and full of old men who grew up together. HQ has become another old boys network where only those in the club who make the right noises and protect the status quo move up the ladder.

You can bum this deal up all you like but to be honest we're no further forward than we were in 2018 with another kick of the can and more ifs, buts and maybes.

And Rico didn't go because of anything the union did, are we honestly supposed to believe that a multi-billion pound company can afford to have a union dictate who its CEO is? The shareholders would eat the board for breakfast.

Rico went because he was an arrogant man who thought he was bigger than the company and refused to come out of his bolthole in Switzerland.

As for Dave, this isn't his deal it's Terry's.

The worst CWU leader in history?

Not really a CWU leader but there's no doubt the 1971 strike was a complete disaster so maybe Tom Jackson?

[Coffee lover]

Not sure about that but there is a lot of problems with staff which never seem to get sorted, they have not addressed the hugely unfair balance between part timers and full timers, it seems that so many full timers I n our office just don’t work there hours yet part timers are constantly working more than their contracted hours yet when they ask to get made up to full time they just get told there’s not chance.They put part timers with full timersi n same van yet put some full timers have easier hct duties and go home 1 hours early every day! I know part timers in our office keep asking to be made up but nothing happens despite constantly asking union, it’s ridiculous that the overtime rate has a also bizarrely less than your basic hourly rate, and also Sunday overtime is hardly any better this should be addressed

[POSTMAN]

On Daves watch as dgsp (While billy was the top man) along with Booby Gibson, naff all changed regarding b&h and the bastard culture we have endured for years (that is going to change, honestly, as per every agreement since the way bloody forward).
What makes you think that a promotion to the top job is going to change anything.

[cobrakai]

The deal was passed by the executive for ballot and then 90% or so who bothered to vote accepted it. If it was that bad a deal, executive would have thrown it out.

You do realise that the executive is literally made up of Dave and Terrys mates. Oh and Dave and Terry

So anyone who voted yes are mates of dave an terry then?? and dont forget its actually posties who vote to elect the pec.

On the executive I’m guessing they have a lot of power, what was number of people on the executive in favour?

From people I know that voted yes it’s either a) people chasing £backpay or b) people that are looking to get vr, this is a massive change in the company and it needed to be a massive endorsement by staff (it wasn’t) and explained to them properly what the agreement was about.

[HTPostman]

7. This is why this agreement needs to be moved forward as Royal Mail have down dialled their proposal in September which was that for any pay deal the union had to sign up to 12 job losses.

Erm....that’s hardly something to write home about. 12 job losses out of 140,000 staff is a minuscule amount, I’d have been happy to take my chances of a 0.008 risk of losing my job.

[hans solo]

You have known him for 30 years
There's the problem
Mates rates and join the club

[toonshola]

As the great comedian George Carlin said, it’s a big club and you ain’t in it.
All these top union guys are on massively inflated salaries and lost touch with the reality of being a postie about 25 years ago. Dave and Terry are just protecting their cushy little numbers for another 5 years then they will disappear into retirement on their huge pensions without a second thought for us lot.

[Cucumber]

Not sure about that but there is a lot of problems with staff which never seem to get sorted, they have not addressed the hugely unfair balance between part timers and full timers, it seems that so many full timers I n our office just don’t work there hours yet part timers are constantly working more than their contracted hours yet when they ask to get made up to full time they just get told there’s not chance.They put part timers with full timersi n same van yet put some full timers have easier hct duties and go home 1 hours early every day! I know part timers in our office keep asking to be made up but nothing happens despite constantly asking union, it’s ridiculous that the overtime rate has a also bizarrely less than your basic hourly rate, and also Sunday overtime is hardly any better this should be addressed

I'm genuinely trying to get on board and understand the pathway to change etc, however issues like this just seem to constantly getting ignored.
We too have plenty staff on 38 hour contracts doing far fewer hours than part time staff on sub 30 hour contracts. It all 'works' on paper, but as soon as local agreements/entitlement kicks in it's mostly just a waste of time.