Why you should support the agreement

[Martin Walsh]

I have seen lots of comments on here and quite a few very critical of the agreement , well these are my reasons why I think the agreement is worthy of a yes vote !

1. The agreement has changed the whole direction of where Rico and his team announced at their capital markets day the direction they wanted to TUPE Parcelforce into a separate parcels company which they would move the growth to which would have been made up of staff on different terms and conditions.

2. We changed that strategy which included separate larger parcels to just 300 offices , using Digital technology to resource and determine the hours your paid and ensure everyone had to work at 100 BSi and beyond. None of that is in this agreement.

3. This agreement guarantees a pay rise or 2.7-% backdated at the same time as the company announced in November that they made an operating loss of 187 million.

4. We have down dialled the expected job losses from 12 000 due to the impact of parcel growth , we have a plan now to introduce dedicated parcel duties to deliver this growth across the day.

5. We have a guarantee of no compulsory redundancies until 2023.

6. Royal Mail have also recommitted to the legal guarantees to no outsourcing , no franchising , no break up of the company. Additionally they have stated they won’t use the owner drivers in parcel force to deliver growth.

7. They have recommitted to MTSF and the Four Pillars agreement and that is why in the delivery and processing parts they commit to wider delivery and processing negotiations under 16.1 and 16.3 of the 4 pillars.

8. We have changed they dynamic on parcels from the mantra of 300 offices to a much wider review , however prioritising parcels now.

9. We have stopped the worse aspects of project enterprise which wanted to use digital technology to link to what is paid and how an office is resourced.

10. We have changed Royal Mail’s revision strategy which was based on 100 BSi ,1 in 6 ,5 hour delivery spans.

11, we have agreed a productivity measure which means is not based on national league tables but on an individual office comparing that offices previous productivity and looking at ways to improve it.

12. We have agreed 1% pay rise which is where most economists believe inflation will be at in April 2021 and we have agreed an hour off the working week based on a revision. For 40% of the work force that will be the equivalent of 2.6% pay rise. For full timers it will mean that minus their meal reliefs they will work 34 hours per week on the same rate of pay as they did on 38.

This is agreement is not a no change deal. There are 24 further phases of talks within this agreement which are to be negotiated from January , all of them important.

So by all means vote no , If you want but I believe this is an agreement which resolves our 2 year dispute and has changed the employer in a significant way. However there is going to be changed and it is a balanced agreement.

[Yamr1]

Agree with you 100%

MASSIVE YES

[TheTrolleyMan]

It's never been about a pay rise until Terry brought it up

[worktotime]

100% NO , . and once ive voted i will be pulling my subs as well . and by the way its not about the pay deal and never has been.

[P13]

Local solutions to the culture issue, the toxic culture tends to be caused by Local solutions it appears no one wants to actually address the toxic culture. Its a no from me

[chickenwittle]

Those that say it’s not about the pay would be the first to moan about no pay rise since year dot . Do me favour , it’s what we come to work for , not for the love of the job.

[PJ101]

Martin

I am happy to accept that you understand the detail and the issues better than me. I would like to know what the outcomes are on the main areas that were of concern in my office.

1) lapsing.
2) Automatic recruitment of part time and not full time staff. The worsening T and C of new entrants .
3) Early starting.
4) Routine ignoring of 4 Pillars obligation. ie no resourcing meetings, no 12 week plan, free work not removed from offices.
5) Different OT rates for different days, different staff or different managers.
6) No rotating day off for reserves and no forward plan.
7) No increase in PT hours even if the office is paying OT everyday.

I was expecting to see a move away from the authoritarian power of local DOM towards a more consistent policy where we could all expect the same working condition. The reverse appears to have happened. It looks like well managed offices will continue to be so and badly run offices will continue to be so. Why were there 600 unresolved disputes and how does this agreement change them?

Thanks

[shepherdess]

So is there now not going to be a 5 hour deliver span, to e there not enough detail in the agreement it's too vague, we are being asked to agree agreement when portions of it will be decided after the vote

[chocolatesaltyballs]

It's never been about a pay rise until Terry brought it up

This ^^^ it's never been about pay for me personally but the workloads and bullying attitudes of managers.

[fb1969]

It's never been about a pay rise until Terry brought it up

This ^^^ it's never been about pay for me personally but the workloads and bullying attitudes of managers.

Exactly the same for me.

Everything to do with bullying hidden behind the word "culture". We all know that any revisions will mean duties taken out and workloads increased even if the duty is already too big.

[Kevin.r.smith]

At the end of the day we have the best working conditions and pay in the industry if you don’t like the agreement go and work for the opposition

[P13]

At the end of the day we have the best working conditions and pay in the industry if you don’t like the agreement go and work for the opposition

What an absolutely ridiculous statement

[Woody Guthrie]

At the end of the day we have the best working conditions and pay in the industry if you don’t like the agreement go and work for the opposition

We are the industry.
There is no opposition.
Nobody else does what we do.

When we stop walking for 5 hours a day in the pissing rain/sleet/snow and become just another parcel courier company then we can judge our terms and conditions against others.

[freespeech]

At the end of the day we have the best working conditions and pay in the industry if you don’t like the agreement go and work for the opposition

We are the industry.
There is no opposition.
Nobody else does what we do.

When we stop walking for 5 hours a day in the pissing rain/sleet/snow and become just another parcel courier company then we can judge our terms and conditions against others.

Letters are the bit that make us "the industry".......they are already the minority in terms of workload (although I accept a DO will see things very differently). Letters volumes will be minimal within five years and then we will be very much in competition with all the other carriers.

[Kevin.r.smith]

Local solutions to the culture issue, the toxic culture tends to be caused by Local solutions it appears no one wants to actually address the toxic culture. Its a no from me

Well it’s a yes for me