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Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 16:41

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50409317

Royal Mail has won its legal battle to prevent a postal strike after the High Court backed its application for an injunction.

The decision is a setback for union plans to stage strikes in the run-up to the general election and Christmas.

Last month, 100,000 Royal Mail staff were balloted and voted to take action over job security and terms.

But Royal Mail argued that the ballot had "potential irregularities" and was null and void.

The Communications Workers Union (CWU) responded to the decision in a tweet: "The High Court has ruled against us. Genuinely this is an utter outrage. 110,000 workers vs the establishment."

Members of the CWU voted by 97% in favour of a nationwide strike, saying the company had failed to adhere to an employment deal agreed last year.

Royal Mail denied this and said it had evidence of CWU members coming under pressure to vote "yes" in the ballot.

'Breaking ballot rules'

This included, the company said, union members "being encouraged to open their ballot papers on site, mark them as 'yes', with their colleagues present and filming or photographing them doing so, before posting their ballots together at their workplace postboxes".

Royal Mail said this amounted to a "de facto workplace ballot", contrary to rules on industrial action, to maximise the turnout and the "yes" vote.

Royal Mail's procedures state that employees cannot open their mail at delivery offices without the prior authorisation of their manager.

But CWU lawyers argued there was no evidence of interference with the ballot and that "legitimate partisan campaigning" by the union in favour of a "yes" vote did not violate the rules.

In the High Court, Mr Justice Swift said in his judgement: "This was an interference that was accurately described as improper. Strike ballots should be postal ballots. Each voter should receive a voting paper at home.

"What CWU did was a form of subversion of the ballot process. It was an interference with voting."

If the action had gone ahead, it would have been Royal Mail's first national postal strike in a decade. In the 2017-18 financial year, Royal Mail delivered about 14.4 billion letters and 1.2 billion parcels.

The CWU will have to work out whether it needs to launch a new ballot of members or whether it can appeal against the decision.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes

13 Nov 2019, 16:51

CWU general secretary Dave Ward said The union will do everything in its power to oppose the decision, including appealing against the judgment after guidance from its lawyers, re-balloting and launching a "huge leverage campaign" with major shareholders against the company's actions.

"CWU members will be and are extremely angry and bitterly disappointed that one judge has granted Royal Mail an injunction to invalidate our ballot for strike action.

"We balloted over 110,000 members and they voted by over 97% in favour of strike action in a massive 76% turnout."Not one single person out of 110,000 who were balloted complained to Royal Mail that their right to vote was interfered with. Not one single person out of 110,000 who were balloted complained to the independent scrutineers that their right to vote was interfered with.


"The Electoral Reform Society who conducted the ballot confirmed it was run in full accordance of the law, and after over seven weeks since the ballot commenced, not one single person has complained to the certification officer who is appointed by the Government to regulate trade unions.

"Yet despite all of this - with no evidence supporting their claim from any employee - Royal Mail can come to this court in what is a cowardly and vicious attack on its own workforce."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/b ... h-20874536

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes

13 Nov 2019, 16:51

Is it not interfering with a ballot in the workplace when the company via RMTV tell you not to strike.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes

13 Nov 2019, 16:56

Marshamp11 wrote:Is it not interfering with a ballot in the workplace when the company via RMTV tell you not to strike.


No - because it is a CWU ballot not a RM ballot.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 17:06

What about breaking the 4 pillars agreement!?? Happy workforce tommorow all over the country then mr back

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 17:17

I do believe its high time the CWU encouraged a nation wide health and safety review. Considering Christmas is coming I think we should all be working safely during such a busy period. Remind people what the correct working procedures are. Point them in the direction of the LWT's. How to do a correct van check. Of course, remind people they should not be walk sorting. Perhaps teach people how to tell the time whilst they are at it just so there is no confusion of when their start and finish times are. It would also be nice to reassure people that they are under no obligation to do overtime if they do not so wish. Regardless of how much pressure they may feel under to do so.

Merry Christmas, Rico. Stupid c***.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 17:33

Do the job properly.
If every postal worker did that, starting from tomorrow, there would be chaos throughout the industry by this time next week, if not earlier.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 17:48

DirtyHarry wrote:Do the job properly.
If every postal worker did that, starting from tomorrow, there would be chaos throughout the industry by this time next week, if not earlier.

The fact that everyone doesn’t always do that speaks volumes........ if we’d always done that , we wouldn’t be in this mess

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 17:49

Ren Hoëk wrote:I do believe its high time the CWU encouraged a nation wide health and safety review. Considering Christmas is coming I think we should all be working safely during such a busy period. Remind people what the correct working procedures are. Point them in the direction of the LWT's. How to do a correct van check. Of course, remind people they should not be walk sorting. Perhaps teach people how to tell the time whilst they are at it just so there is no confusion of when their start and finish times are. It would also be nice to reassure people that they are under no obligation to do overtime if they do not so wish. Regardless of how much pressure they may feel under to do so.

Merry Christmas, Rico. Stupid c***.


The truth is most people cannot be annoyed with the hassle from management and all that goes with it to do that

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 17:53

Unfortunately their are too many of our colleagues that will not because

1) Don't want the hassle of managers on their case
2) Don't want to disappoint the customers on their walk
3) Want christmas tips
4) Wants overtime payment for going over
5) Doesn't want to bring stuff back as will have to clear it day after meaning they have to carry more (even though managers should be making sure everything is cleared everyday)
6) Doesn't want colleagues at work to take the piss for bringing stuff back (you know it happens)

I know myself the hassle management cause. It is ridiculous they don't follow the over running procedure. Another agreement broken, but its ok for RM to break agreements as you know.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 18:13

Acca Dacca wrote:
Ren Hoëk wrote:I do believe its high time the CWU encouraged a nation wide health and safety review. Considering Christmas is coming I think we should all be working safely during such a busy period. Remind people what the correct working procedures are. Point them in the direction of the LWT's. How to do a correct van check. Of course, remind people they should not be walk sorting. Perhaps teach people how to tell the time whilst they are at it just so there is no confusion of when their start and finish times are. It would also be nice to reassure people that they are under no obligation to do overtime if they do not so wish. Regardless of how much pressure they may feel under to do so.

Merry Christmas, Rico. Stupid c***.


The truth is most people cannot be annoyed with the hassle from management and all that goes with it to do that


The union need to take a bigger responsibility in protecting members from said hassle. As do we in the form of solidarity.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 18:18

Pidleypoo wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:Do the job properly.
If every postal worker did that, starting from tomorrow, there would be chaos throughout the industry by this time next week, if not earlier.

The fact that everyone doesn’t always do that speaks volumes........ if we’d always done that , we wouldn’t be in this mess


If you follow basic logic rules we might have been in a bigger mess.

If doing the job properly protects jobs if follows that it increases RMs cost per item.

If RMs cost per item increases profits decrease.

If RMs profits decrease it follows they have to increase cost savings.

It's impossible to know what might have been but there is a sound enough theory that had we all done the job properly 10 years ago the company would have been forced to cut costs far more savagely than they have.

It's just a theory but to be honest it holds more water than the idea that we could all start doing the job properly tomorrow and Royal Mail would just accept a huge increase in its labour costs.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 20:07

Woody Guthrie wrote:
Pidleypoo wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:Do the job properly.
If every postal worker did that, starting from tomorrow, there would be chaos throughout the industry by this time next week, if not earlier.

The fact that everyone doesn’t always do that speaks volumes........ if we’d always done that , we wouldn’t be in this mess


If you follow basic logic rules we might have been in a bigger mess.

If doing the job properly protects jobs if follows that it increases RMs cost per item.

If RMs cost per item increases profits decrease.

If RMs profits decrease it follows they have to increase cost savings.

It's impossible to know what might have been but there is a sound enough theory that had we all done the job properly 10 years ago the company would have been forced to cut costs far more savagely than they have.

It's just a theory but to be honest it holds more water than the idea that we could all start doing the job properly tomorrow and Royal Mail would just accept a huge increase in its labour costs.



True. We might never have got the pay increases in the past, dividends payments from the shares nor an hour off the working week if we hadn't been as productive.

But saying that Royal Mail appears to have turned its back on us whilst at the same time seem to be offering pay rises to it's managers?? Value for money I guess if they are going to be sorting and delivering all our parcels for us

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 20:16

I'm not saying it's a bad thing to do the job properly, in my opinion you might as well since you're just likely to get more work to do if you don't....but it just isn't the solution to all our problems and the idea that everyone who doesn't is an enemy or an idiot is just bollocks.

The union tends to use it as a handy excuse not to tackle workload and bullying.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 21:20

The gloves are off now though, we are being royally shafted and so why should we do anything over and above our normal pattern of work for an organisation that has so little regard us.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 22:12

What's a realistic timetable now (notice to ballot, time for the ballot, getting the result, notification of strike then the first strike)?

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

13 Nov 2019, 23:05

If you can't do something as simple as doing the job properly, then you're a doormat, there to be walked all over, as often as w*****s like Rico want.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes

13 Nov 2019, 23:51

Acca Dacca wrote:
Marshamp11 wrote:Is it not interfering with a ballot in the workplace when the company via RMTV tell you not to strike.


No - because it is a CWU ballot not a RM ballot.


Neither the CWU telling you to strike, or Royal Mail not to is interfering with a ballot. It's the actual process of voting, like in a general general election you vote in a booth without anybody influencing your decision. Of course the political parties tell you to vote for them; they're not allowed to stand over you at the polling station though saying 'vote for me'. That is basically what the judge has found could've potentially happened by people voting in do's.

Royal Mail wins bid to halt Christmas postal strikes : Ward : "We will re-ballot"

14 Nov 2019, 10:55

Great so if we don't like the result of the general election, we can just find some idiots who filmed themselves in the voting booths.

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