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BALLOT RESULT : 97.1% YES 75.9% TURNOUT

15 Oct 2019, 15:40

97.1% YES

75% turnout





Last edited by mr hil. on 15 Oct 2019, 16:03, edited 3 times in total.

wow 97.1%

15 Oct 2019, 15:43

Absolutely - wow. I knew it would be high but didn't expect this. Stunning result.

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:04

25% not voting is surprising! do they want to work for Hermes?

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:06

Does anyone have the full results?

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:06

97% YES looks good

1 in 4 members failing to support their union does not

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:09

Great result. Let’s hope some serious negotiations can start taking place now. Got a feeling Rico may still want to test the water though and see how many are prepared to go out on strike when it comes to it.

Saw a RMTV film at WTL today which showed our esteemed CEO being interviewed. How the hell can it be allowed to happen that someone who can barely string a coherent sentence together in english lands the top job of a British Institution!!

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:15

Acca Dacca wrote:97% YES looks good

1 in 4 members failing to support their union does not

of that 25% how many are not in the union?

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:20

daveyeff wrote:
Acca Dacca wrote:97% YES looks good

1 in 4 members failing to support their union does not

of that 25% how many are not in the union?


All of them are in the union. It’s a return of 75% of the sent out ballot papers. So a quarter of union members didn’t vote, add that to non union members and that is roughly the amount of people who potentially will be going in if a strike is called!! And that’s just for starters.

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 16:28

Add in the ever present Royal Mail owned agency people and the usual assortment of managers/strike breakers. Prepare for a bigger challenge than ever before.

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 18:53

cobrakai wrote:Add in the ever present Royal Mail owned agency people and the usual assortment of managers/strike breakers. Prepare for a bigger challenge than ever before.

Easy for managers/strike breakers to cover one office on strike. Bit different if its every office. Make no bones about it, majority WILL strike. Most are fed up, even if many are scared to say so.
A one day strike wont cause too much disruption( bank holidays). Needs to be rolling 2 days one week, 2 the next and then a work to rule. Cause maximum disruption.

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 19:02

Newbie001 wrote:
cobrakai wrote:Add in the ever present Royal Mail owned agency people and the usual assortment of managers/strike breakers. Prepare for a bigger challenge than ever before.

Easy for managers/strike breakers to cover one office on strike. Bit different if its every office. Make no bones about it, majority WILL strike. Most are fed up, even if many are scared to say so.
A one day strike wont cause too much disruption( bank holidays). Needs to be rolling 2 days one week, 2 the next and then a work to rule. Cause maximum disruption.


Fully agree. Thing is they can get all the agency staff in the world they can find (do agency staff cost the business more). They will be slower, they won’t know how to tie up, they won’t know of certain calls....there’s one rural round I know of with a farm that has a tall 100ft long hedge, then a cutting no more than 10 inches wide with a black mailbox in...there is no way you can find that delivery point without being shown. Oh and they get a lot of tracked so it’s not like an agency staff can just bring that call back each day.
Strength in numbers, something will give.

BALLOT RESULT : 97.1% YES 75.9% TURNOUT

15 Oct 2019, 19:15

RULES wrote:Please do not in any circumstances resort to name calling or behaviour that could be deemed as bullying or harassment. Specifically, regarding the term 'scab'. It does have an historical meaning in some circles, but it can also be seen as abuse by others. Therefore members are requested to use the more acceptable term of 'Strike Breaker'

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 19:41

Acca Dacca wrote:97% YES looks good

1 in 4 members failing to support their union does not


I dont think its realistic to expect a higher percentage turnout than whats been acheived here to be honest; i think we should just recognise and applaud the overwhelming verdict of those who voted yes rather than speculate on the motives of those who failed to participate.

BALLOT RESULT : 97.1% YES 75.9% TURNOUT

15 Oct 2019, 21:23

thats a great result, and one which could actually PREVENT a strike which is the goal afterall, this result just says "yeah we`re up for the fight, do you really want to screw us over or are you going to negotiate ?"

BALLOT RESULT : 97.1% YES 75.9% TURNOUT

15 Oct 2019, 22:57

97.1% is a massive yes vote, maybe now is the time to say we want something more, like an hour break during our working day, instead of just 40 minutes. working 8 hours plus a day, no canteen meaning no hot food, Like to also say I think we are lucky we have got a union that can fight on our behalf.

BALLOT RESULT : 97.1% YES 75.9% TURNOUT

15 Oct 2019, 23:13

That result is massive vote and I hope everyone will support our unity through our actions as well as our words and votes because we are going to need it this time the CEO has a vested interest more than any CEO in the past of any of the past in this business! But well done on part one and we need a good deal and you gave our union your backing by this vote and time will tell if we can get a deal without a strike and I hope we can but alas we are at a crossroad and things have not been going in the direction of the last deal and the four pillars as they do not consult the union but dictate to us all union or not this is not was envisaged in the last agreement!

97.1% YES 75% turnout

15 Oct 2019, 23:24

cobrakai wrote:Add in the ever present Royal Mail owned agency people and the usual assortment of managers/strike breakers. Prepare for a bigger challenge than ever before.


RM can only use the same number of agency they normally use, they can't get in extra agency workers to cover the strikes.
https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-fac ... ial-action

Using agency workers to cover during a strike
Agencies aren’t allowed to supply workers specifically to cover work that isn’t being done during lawful industrial action.

Agency workers already in place as part of your normal business can carry on as usual.

BALLOT RESULT : 97.1% YES 75.9% TURNOUT

16 Oct 2019, 06:27

You can't read anything into a non-vote.

97.1% YES 75% turnout

16 Oct 2019, 06:52

HTPostman wrote:
Newbie001 wrote:
cobrakai wrote:Add in the ever present Royal Mail owned agency people and the usual assortment of managers/strike breakers. Prepare for a bigger challenge than ever before.

Easy for managers/strike breakers to cover one office on strike. Bit different if its every office. Make no bones about it, majority WILL strike. Most are fed up, even if many are scared to say so.
A one day strike wont cause too much disruption( bank holidays). Needs to be rolling 2 days one week, 2 the next and then a work to rule. Cause maximum disruption.


Fully agree. Thing is they can get all the agency staff in the world they can find (do agency staff cost the business more). They will be slower, they won’t know how to tie up, they won’t know of certain calls....there’s one rural round I know of with a farm that has a tall 100ft long hedge, then a cutting no more than 10 inches wide with a black mailbox in...there is no way you can find that delivery point without being shown. Oh and they get a lot of tracked so it’s not like an agency staff can just bring that call back each day.
Strength in numbers, something will give.

I agree imagine just a simple special delivery and the person not having a clue were it is.

97.1% YES 75% turnout

16 Oct 2019, 10:53

ennabee wrote:
cobrakai wrote:Add in the ever present Royal Mail owned agency people and the usual assortment of managers/strike breakers. Prepare for a bigger challenge than ever before.


RM can only use the same number of agency they normally use, they can't get in extra agency workers to cover the strikes.
https://www.gov.uk/if-your-business-fac ... ial-action

Using agency workers to cover during a strike
Agencies aren’t allowed to supply workers specifically to cover work that isn’t being done during lawful industrial action.

Agency workers already in place as part of your normal business can carry on as usual.


The government site states it's OK to use agency staff already in place but there is no mention of this in the legislation.
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2003/3319/regulation/7/made

7.—(1) Subject to paragraph (2) an employment business shall not introduce or supply a work-seeker to a hirer to perform—

(a)the duties normally performed by a worker who is taking part in a strike or other industrial action (“the first worker”), or

(b)the duties normally performed by any other worker employed by the hirer and who is assigned by the hirer to perform the duties normally performed by the first worker,

unless in either case the employment business does not know, and has no reasonable grounds for knowing, that the first worker is taking part in a strike or other industrial action.

(2) Paragraph (1) shall not apply if, in relation to the first worker, the strike or other industrial action in question is an unofficial strike or other unofficial industrial action for the purposes of section 237 of the Trade Union and Labour Relations (Consolidation) Act 1992(1).

Royal Mail are allowed to hire people directly on fixed term contracts to cover a strike.

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