DGSP Terry Pullinger on the current talks with Royal Mail

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 23 Jul 2019, 16:45

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Marshamp11 · Post by **Marshamp11** » 23 Jul 2019, 16:58

No revisions for 4 years, we haven't had one for nearly 9 years Terry.

arnold cheshire · Post by **arnold cheshire** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:27

Marshamp11 wrote: No revisions for 4 years, we haven't had one for nearly 9 years Terry.

Walks go bigger with revisions

Marshamp11 · Post by **Marshamp11** » 23 Jul 2019, 17:55

arnold cheshire wrote:
Marshamp11 wrote: No revisions for 4 years, we haven't had one for nearly 9 years Terry.
Walks go bigger with revisions

I agree. So when we do have one I will probably be going 2 hours over my time everyday instead of just an hour.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 23 Jul 2019, 18:03

Removed my post from each quote

The Postman · Post by **The Postman** » 23 Jul 2019, 18:22

Because no-one seen this coming.

korky · Post by **korky** » 23 Jul 2019, 18:45

can see it now, virtually zero negotiations until we get balloted for IA again, then by october we give notice to strike in november, then either RM block it again or enter talks taking them into january, then talks end with no resolution!
my wife works in an industry with 2 recognised unions, both are losing members due to them to talking the talk but refuse to walk the walk,
the CWU hierarchy need to push them to the limit asap not keep giving ultimatums and olive branches,
ballot us NOW before/during any mediation

Post by **SpacePhoenix** » 23 Jul 2019, 19:33

korky wrote:ballot us NOW before/during any mediation

Won't RM just go to court and get a ballot that's done before mediation declared null and void?

datasaint · Post by **datasaint** » 23 Jul 2019, 19:38

Maybe RM are waiting for Brexit to scare people off striking ...

worktotime · Post by **worktotime** » 23 Jul 2019, 19:45

korky wrote:can see it now, virtually zero negotiations until we get balloted for IA again, then by october we give notice to strike in november, then either RM block it again or enter talks taking them into january, then talks end with no resolution!
my wife works in an industry with 2 recognised unions, both are losing members due to them to talking the talk but refuse to walk the walk,
the CWU hierarchy need to push them to the limit asap not keep giving ultimatums and olive branches,
ballot us NOW before/during any mediation

to be fair to the cwu they jumped in feet first last time and learned from that and r/m stopped any I/a through court , but this time they have done it right by talking to the company and by listening to this the company don't give a f**k about the staff and if you don't like it then f**k off to be blunt , then they will go into mediation and if still no joy then they will ballot for I/a and r/m wont be able to stop that unless they change there way of thinking

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Binsey · Post by **Binsey** » 23 Jul 2019, 19:56

The Postman wrote:Because no-one seen this coming.

Indeed many of us here a few years ago said it was a bad deal. It was felt RM would backtrack on it sometime.

Unfortunately that may be proved to be right.

zz666 · Post by **zz666** » 23 Jul 2019, 20:55

No mention of parcel separation. Bullying culture still as bad as ever.

Post by **fb1969** » 23 Jul 2019, 21:04

Given the walkouts due to bullying you'd think Terry could at least use the word. There's enough hot air already, without him adding to it.

XCHpostie · Post by **XCHpostie** » 23 Jul 2019, 22:25

Looks like one of the Kray twins minus the air of menace. How this industry needs a Bob Crowe

Celgar · Post by **Celgar** » 23 Jul 2019, 23:00

As a general rule revisions usually are done to make the walks longer by dropping walks and reworking routes. We need to be careful and think whether we want to go down that route as in many DOs the walks are not as long as in other DOs.
I do like the idea of incorporating the effect of the SWW into walk revisions as so far the work level has either stayed the same or increased but the SWW has taken time away which is complete bonkers.
Terry did mention the consultants but not parcel separation specifically. The trouble is posties who are signed up to this forum or maybe other sources know what is happening but people relying on the CWU or RM are completely in the dark to be honest.
Managerial B&H is a BIG problem now and it needs to be sorted but the new parcel strategy is going to change the business and not for the better plus it will bring tens of thousands of job losses. Fighting the parcel strategy has to be number one issue I feel.
The union has to follow the process. The external mediation is unlikely to bring agreement but it has to be done so we can start industrial action. Delivering everything together in one go is the best method so RM have to be convinced that our current method is the best way to continue. I fear we are on a hiding to nothing but I'm not willing to give up on it just yet.