Do revisions mean part timers can go full time?

Post by **CHUCKYPIG** » 19 Oct 2021, 19:10

In reading "The Voice" the CWU magazine one whole page was devoted to Morecambe DO where the revision increased full time numbers from 25 to 41. Another page to Stoke Newington DO where the revision meant that all part timers had access to a shorter working week.

Sounds amazing. But

Is this standard practice?

Or just CWU highlighting 2 isolated and unique delivery offices where part time staff have benefited the most?

I am part time spread over 5 days. Its shite. I would much rather do the same hours spread over 4 days or even better be made up to full time hours. So what the CWU are saying sounds ace. But I am sceptical that the part timers at all delivery offices will get this much benefit?

Post by **POSTMAN** » 19 Oct 2021, 20:25

Hate to say it cause I don't like mentioning the cruds, but a few on Facebook have said it's happened to their office.

There are obviously some offices that are on the ball and the next step is a Courier interview, then there are the rest...

Post by **CHUCKYPIG** » 21 Oct 2021, 10:24

Who are the cruds?

Do you mean some other offices have said on facebook that part timers are being moved to full timers?

I wonder if it is at most delivery offices or just a minority?

We have not had our revision yet so I have no idea what will happen.

Post by **CHUCKYPIG** » 24 Oct 2021, 20:47

One whole page of "The Voice" (CWU rag) was devoted to Morecambe DO where the revision increased full time numbers from 25 to 41. Another page to Stoke Newington DO where the revision meant that all part timers had access to a shorter working week.

Sounds amazing. But

Is this standard practice?

Or just CWU highlighting 2 isolated and unique delivery offices where part time staff have benefited the most?

I am part time spread over 5 days. Its shite. I would much rather do the same hours spread over 4 days or even better be made up to full time hours. So what the CWU are saying sounds ace. But I am sceptical that the part timers at all delivery offices will get this much benefit?

toonshola · Post by **toonshola** » 24 Oct 2021, 21:21

Over 20 part timers made up to full time in our revision which is obviously excellent, although I think the hours were there to do it with or without revision and they got away with not making people up for years. The price we have paid for this is the office is completely screwed after the revision, all the delivery’s too big and more stuff being left in than before it. Staff stressed and it’s all going to come to a head in the next few weeks running Into Xmas.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 25 Oct 2021, 19:25

The majority of staff at our depot are part-time and the screws have literally bent over backwards into ring fencing part-time duties in the last revision and re-pick several years ago and giving them creative 3 and 4 day weeks whilst sh*fting the full-timers that were on a 9 day fortnight which I thought worked very well. However, most of our part-timers have been working full time for years!! Obviously they miss out on the D2D payments, annual leave and any bonuses that are pro-rata

But if some offices are giving out full-time contracts, why aren't other offices doing it?? What are the reasons? Management saving on the budget? Weak or ineffectual CWU reps?

Post by **CHUCKYPIG** » 26 Oct 2021, 10:15

toonshola wrote: ↑
24 Oct 2021, 21:21
Over 20 part timers made up to full time in our revision which is obviously excellent, although I think the hours were there to do it with or without revision and they got away with not making people up for years. The price we have paid for this is the office is completely screwed after the revision, all the delivery’s too big and more stuff being left in than before it. Staff stressed and it’s all going to come to a head in the next few weeks running Into Xmas.

It does sound like the revisions overall are a disaster from reading stuff on here. I don't know as our office hasn't had it yet, supposed to be next year.

But if part timers are getting made up to full time then obviously that is a massive bonus for most of us. We have been screwed over for years, less pay, less holiday and sick pay, less bonuses, no 4 days weeks/9 day fortnights etc.. Plus the fact that a lot of full timers go out on delivery an hour or so earlier than us so can finish an hour before their finish times whilst we have no chance etc. etc.

Fingers crossed it happens at our delivery office.............

Post by **CHUCKYPIG** » 26 Oct 2021, 10:19

postslippete wrote: ↑
25 Oct 2021, 19:25
The majority of staff at our depot are part-time and the screws have literally bent over backwards into ring fencing part-time duties in the last revision and re-pick several years ago and giving them creative 3 and 4 day weeks whilst sh*fting the full-timers that were on a 9 day fortnight which I thought worked very well. However, most of our part-timers have been working full time for years!! Obviously they miss out on the D2D payments, annual leave and any bonuses that are pro-rata

But if some offices are giving out full-time contracts, why aren't other offices doing it?? What are the reasons? Management saving on the budget? Weak or ineffectual CWU reps?

That's interesting also. Maybe the screws are desperate to keep the part timers on board at your depot so that they can continue to screw them over?

Overall part time is still s**t as we miss out on all that extra money, especially if on holiday/sick for a long period of time. So I would rather go full time. But yes I would also rather fit my part time hours into 3 or 4 days rather than spread over 5 days. So that would sweeten the part time downsides nicely.

Why are some delivery offices giving out full time contracts and others not?

It would be interesting to know why?

If us part timers don't get any benefits at our delivery office then I will be looking for a transfer to one that did give benefits I think.......

Post by **POSTMAN** » 26 Oct 2021, 10:32

Obviously they miss out on the D2D payments,

Just a quick one, part timers DO NOT miss out on the delivery supplement if they do extra over their contracted hrs.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73589&p=725080
The link explains more

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 26 Oct 2021, 15:00

CHUCKYPIG wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 10:19

Why are some delivery offices giving out full time contracts and others not?

It would be interesting to know why?

Some offices have put in dedicated parcel duties as part of the revision. Some have not.
Some have been making p/t up to f/t already and some have not.
Some offices are busy. Some are not.

No two offices are the same. No two offices have exactly the same traffic profile every day.
Just because something happens in office A it doesn't mean exactly the same thing has to happen in office B.

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 26 Oct 2021, 19:26

POSTMAN wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 10:32

Obviously they miss out on the D2D payments,
Just a quick one, part timers DO NOT miss out on the delivery supplement if they do extra over their contracted hrs.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73589&p=725080
The link explains more

Oh I see, so if a part-timer puts down some additional delivery excess on top of their contracted hours they then get the full delivery supplement?

Lets not kid ourselves - Part-timers got done over by the CWU with the "delivery supplement" whether it was for hours worked, D2Ds or whatever.

Post by **fb1969** » 26 Oct 2021, 20:06

Whatever the contract hours are for p/t staff, the number of hours that takes them to the f/t number hours should be paid at either SSPR or SA/SSPR - the rate for that is the same as their normal hourly rate plus the delivery supplement and any other supplements. I am on a 30 hour contract and currently the first 8 hours overtime I do is paid at SSPR.

SSPR means that a full timer doing 38 hours and a part timer doing 38 hours will be paid the same rate.

P13 · Post by **P13** » 26 Oct 2021, 20:12

postslippete wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 19:26

POSTMAN wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 10:32

Obviously they miss out on the D2D payments,
Just a quick one, part timers DO NOT miss out on the delivery supplement if they do extra over their contracted hrs.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73589&p=725080
The link explains more

Oh I see, so if a part-timer puts down some additional delivery excess on top of their contracted hours they then get the full delivery supplement?

Lets not kid ourselves - Part-timers got done over by the CWU with the "delivery supplement" whether it was for hours worked, D2Ds or whatever.

How did part timers "get done over" when they get the same delivery supplement as full timers if they work the same hours .

postslippete · Post by **postslippete** » 29 Oct 2021, 23:22

P13 wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 20:12

postslippete wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 19:26

POSTMAN wrote: ↑
26 Oct 2021, 10:32

Obviously they miss out on the D2D payments,
Just a quick one, part timers DO NOT miss out on the delivery supplement if they do extra over their contracted hrs.
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=73589&p=725080
The link explains more

Oh I see, so if a part-timer puts down some additional delivery excess on top of their contracted hours they then get the full delivery supplement?

Lets not kid ourselves - Part-timers got done over by the CWU with the "delivery supplement" whether it was for hours worked, D2Ds or whatever.
How did part timers "get done over" when they get the same delivery supplement as full timers if they work the same hours .

They don't get it when they are on annual leave or off sick. Its the beauty of Royal Mail making savings by keeping staff on part-time contracts!

Post by **POSTMAN** » 02 Nov 2021, 16:45

CHUCKYPIG wrote: ↑
24 Oct 2021, 20:47
One whole page of "The Voice" (CWU rag) was devoted to Morecambe DO where the revision increased full time numbers from 25 to 41.

"morecambe office in chaos duties horrendous walks not going for 2 or 3 days sick through the roof morale at rock bottom there not bothered walks don't go out , needs adressing ASAP."

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