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LTB 248/21 - National Joint Statement - Resourcing & Recruitment Including the Reintroduction of Postal Apprentices

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https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-248-21-nati ... prentices/

LTB 248/21 – National Joint Statement – Resourcing & Recruitment Including the Reintroduction of Postal Apprentices
No. 248/21

17th June 2021

Dear Colleagues,

National Joint Statement – Resourcing & Recruitment Including the Reintroduction of Postal Apprentices

The Postal Executive are pleased to present to you a very positive Joint Statement that has been agreed with Royal Mail Group.

The Joint Statement seeks to address the previous and very damaging resourcing strategy which has had a very demoralising impact on culture and the operation. This Joint Statement along with the Average Holiday Pay Agreement seek to address fairness, contracts that reflect the hours actually worked and focus on the next generation of postal workers however it is important to remember where we have come from and genuinely reflect on this positive moment.

Branches, Representatives and members will recall that prior to the Pathway to Change Agreement being concluded and subsequently endorsed by the Postal Membership, the Union and its members were looking at a reduction in operational hourage equivalent to approximately 30,000 – 40,000 FTE. This was our assessment of a managerial strategy purely focused on decline and with no ambition, a strategy that would have cost thousands of decent jobs, undermined the USO and broke up this great postal service.

No one could have predicted at that time that within a matter of months the Union and Royal Mail Group would set aside their differences and embark on a journey that would see Royal Mail Group employees/CWU members join the ranks of the other key workers in the fight against the Covid pandemic across the whole of the United Kingdom.

Since March 2020, all postal workers have had to adapt and adopt new working arrangements and attendance patterns to collect, process and deliver essential mail and items that were, and remain, crucial to the fight against the ever changing battle against Covid. In addition, as the USO provider, Royal Mail Group has been able to maintain a postal operation that not only dealt with the unprecedented growth in parcel traffic but which also supported the economic and commercial connectivity so important to our society.

All of the above required a significant investment of both resource and finance however the upside of this activity has been a significant change in the economic fortunes of Royal Mail Group who having been on the edge of becoming a loss making company in the region of £400-£600 million, have now seen a major improvement in the company’s financial position.

The above, coupled with concluding the Pathway to Change Agreement and a completely different managerial ideology, has now placed the company in a position of being able to plan for further growth and the introduction of new products and services. Therefore, far from reducing headcount, the company can embark on a proactive recruitment campaign as well as the further introduction of approximately 1,000 Postal Apprentices who will lay the foundation for the reintroduction of the Postal Cadet Scheme and the next generation of postal workers. This is the first agreement for the introduction of Postal Apprentices in our core functions since 2006.

To support the recruitment activity across the UK including the introduction of Postal Apprenticeships, attached for the information of Branches is a National Joint Statement which includes Annexes A, B and C. It has been reached following consultation and input from the Postal National Officers. In summary, as well as recommitting to the terms of our existing national agreements, the following commitments have been achieved:

  • Resourcing will be predominantly full-time supported by part-time employment;
    Employees will be on permanent contracts unless there is a genuine need for a FTC, the number of which will be monitored and kept under regular joint review;
    All future revision activity will reduce the reliance on agency/casual staff;
    A clear pecking order for recruitment that puts the uplift in part-time contracts up to full-time for those who want it, first.
    Part-time contracts can be reviewed in between the six-month realignment reviews;
    Sunday Delivery and associated work is reaffirmed as voluntary but inventive duty arrangements, such as 3-4 day weeks, can be included in the resourcing mix and selected on a voluntary basis;
    There will be no central block on the recruitment of a full or part-time position where revision activity has justified why the resource is required;
    Any locally agreed recruitment must follow the defined order outlined in the Joint Statement.


I trust that Branches will view the attached Joint Statement as a positive development which will no doubt be a welcome tool for our Representatives in the field to use when undertaking both interim and full revisions and/or any realignment activity going forward.

Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department or appropriate Postal National Officer.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Pullinger

Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

LTB 248-21 Attachment 1 – Joint Statement on Resourcing and Apprentices

LTB 248-21 Attachment 2 – Annex A

LTB 248-21 Attachment 3 – Annex B

LTB 248-21 Attachment 4 – Annex C – Postal Apprentice Remuneration
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Our DOM has categorically told us Part-Time staff that there will be no full-time positions made up in the revision. I've been waiting 10 years to get the opportunity to go full-time and regularly do over 50 hours per week. So how does this Joint Statement stand in the real world?
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Trumanity wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 14:59
Our DOM has categorically told us Part-Time staff that there will be no full-time positions made up in the revision. I've been waiting 10 years to get the opportunity to go full-time and regularly do over 50 hours per week. So how does this Joint Statement stand in the real world?
There is a strong possibility that that (is that right?) is bollox, the revision throws up what it throws up, not what management want.... rep?
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Trumanity wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 14:59
Our DOM has categorically told us Part-Time staff that there will be no full-time positions made up in the revision. I've been waiting 10 years to get the opportunity to go full-time and regularly do over 50 hours per week. So how does this Joint Statement stand in the real world?
It stands with the rest of the joint statements.
(Joint statement as in what they are all smoking)
Still while you are being shafted:

it is important to remember where we have come from and genuinely reflect on this positive moment. (Man)
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Review of part-time Employees’ hours
Both parties commit to using the current revision activity to review part-time hours and
(where the workload supports it and the duty pattern can be accommodated) to look at
increasing part-time hours to align to the duty set. Royal Mail Group commit to
empowering local managers to review part-timers who regularly work above their part-
time hours jointly with local representatives as part of the 6 monthly reviews of the hours
performed by part-timers and annual revisions/realignment activity.
To further support this reinvigorated approach and to ensure our solutions remain in
place, a six monthly joint national strategic framework will be put in place where the
national parties come together and review data and issues from the unit reviews.

There's the get-out clause...
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Am I being cynical or is my view that because RM pay the apprentice tax they're looking at getting something back
for it ie labour that they can recruit at the lowest rates?
The Postal Apprentices will be paid at the agreed age appropriate OPG pay rate in line with our
collectively agreed pay rates (e.g. 16-year-old pay rate, 17-year-old pay rate and adult recruit
pay rate) for their “On the Job” time.
For the remaining learning time the hourly rate will be 75% of the appropriate pay rate for the role.
So who decides what's OTJ time and what's 'remaining learning time'? Is learning how to put sequenced in OTJ or learning?
A joint review of Postal Apprenticeship pay will take place in November 2021 to understand the
effectiveness of this rate in attracting and retaining a younger age demographic.
Good luck with that.....
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All apprentices are scams, this will be no different.
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Trumanity wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 14:59
Our DOM has categorically told us Part-Time staff that there will be no full-time positions made up in the revision. I've been waiting 10 years to get the opportunity to go full-time and regularly do over 50 hours per week. So how does this Joint Statement stand in the real world?
How many PT are higher up than you on the seniority list? The highest up the seniority list will get first dibs at being made up to full time, then the next highest PT on the seniority list and so on
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 19:30
The highest up the seniority list will get first dibs at being made up to full time, then the next highest PT on the seniority list and so on
Unless they don't drive and the duties require driving - in which case seniority counts for nothing.
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SpacePhoenix wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 19:30
Trumanity wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 14:59
Our DOM has categorically told us Part-Time staff that there will be no full-time positions made up in the revision. I've been waiting 10 years to get the opportunity to go full-time and regularly do over 50 hours per week. So how does this Joint Statement stand in the real world?
How many PT are higher up than you on the seniority list? The highest up the seniority list will get first dibs at being made up to full time, then the next highest PT on the seniority list and so on
He probably knows that but thanks for the advice anyway :roll:
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Ohhhh this must mean after 11 years I might finally get full time. I mean the union wouldn’t agree to a weak statement that means nothing in reality would they?
Who am I kidding that’s all this union do. Nothing will change.
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clashcityrocker wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 19:50
SpacePhoenix wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 19:30
The highest up the seniority list will get first dibs at being made up to full time, then the next highest PT on the seniority list and so on
Unless they don't drive and the duties require driving - in which case seniority counts for nothing.
hear hear - pissed off when ive been there for years and dont drive and someone whos been here a couple of years gets full time
plus a non driver full timer leaves and they put the duty down to part time!!!!! :arrrghhh
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POSTMAN wrote:
17 Jun 2021, 17:50
All apprentices are scams, this will be no different.
"All" seems one Hell of a generalisation, although why they didn't just refer to these potential trainees as "cadets" is strange.
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Tman wrote:
18 Jun 2021, 13:11
although why they didn't just refer to these potential trainees as "cadets" is strange.
Because it's a scam.

The Apprenticeship Levy of 2017 is a UK tax on employers which can be used to fund apprenticeship training. It takes 0.5% of the salary bill from major employers in England (only) with the intention of using the money to improve skills and provide training. Any employer who spends more than £3m annually on wages has to put in 0.5% of its payroll above the £3m threshold. This money is then topped up with an extra 10% from government funds and kept in a digital account for that employer to deploy on its own training arrangements for apprentices. Funds that are not used by the employer within 24 months expire and get passed back to the government.
If they call them apprentices they can use the apprenticeship levy to fund it.
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So some of the training costs will be paid by the government; how does that make it a scam?