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Re sign opt out
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Alga
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Re sign opt out
Is it still the case that you can opt out of re sign if your duty attendance times haven't changed by more than an hour
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Zicomurphy
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Re: Re sign opt out
I think you can opt out if the contents of your duty have not been changed but I’ve never heard of any opt out linked to change of attendance times. All revisions we’ve had attendance times have never changed by more than an hour so if that was the case then everyone could opt out and there would be no point having a re sign.
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Alga
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Re: Re sign opt out
Thanks mate,you may well be right,we have always been told you are signing for duty time not content,hence the hour change thingy,will look further into it,seem to get different answers from different ppl
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re sign opt out
RESOURCING JOBS DURING MAJOR CHANGE
16.1 The new standard resourcing procedures covered in the previous two sections of this agreement benefit employees by giving them regular opportunities to apply for a change of job, both within their unit and their resourcing area. These incorporate and standardise the current practises of rolling re-signs, based on seniority.
This section deals with the only other circumstance where people change jobs. This is where jobs alter significantly as a result of the introduction of major change. The overriding aims for managing all such exercises must be to minimise customer disruption and avoid unnecessary displacement of employees in a way that conforms to equal opportunities legislation. This will be ensured by timely planning and full CWU involvement at all stages of the exercise.
16.2 Major change is ? defined as:
• The relocation or merger of units;
• A significant process alteration arising from automated working or reshaping of the pipeline;
• Delivery revisions, which involve significant re-plotting of walks or significant restructuring of attendance patterns (e.g. full-time/part-time mix, five-day weeks, ‘longs and shorts’ or ‘night plus a first delivery’, where they are agreed).
16.3 Major change is defined as:
• Revisions of staffing arrangements, using the procedures agreed in the Performance Bonus Scheme, to implement the Performance Bonus Scheme, Shorter Working Week, Meal Relief Harmonisation and Work Time Learning or to improve alignment of staffing to workload in order to make performance improvements, unless they fall into the categories of major change defined in paragraph 2 above.
• Delivery revisions which do not involve significant re-plotting of first delivery walks.
Where such a revision displaces an individual, or where an individual’s earnings are affected, local discussions shall take place in line with the principles contained in Sections 14 and 15, which may vary the order to protect the individuals displaced. Timely planning will reduce the number of people affected in this way by the revision.
16.4 Where there is a major change as defined above, the key principles for dealing with the re-sign are:
• Employees whose jobs remain unaffected by the major change will retain them;
• These employees will have the option of applying for any of the jobs involved in the re-sign resulting from the major change, provided they have completed a minimum of twelve months on their existing duty (see Section 14 and 15). If this creates a resultant vacancy that would be filled using the normal resourcing procedures in Section 14 or 15;
• Employees taking part in the re-sign will be given the opportunity to advise of any personal circumstances, which necessitate a particular duty type or attendance pattern and, where practical, this will be accommodated. Where this happens, there will be prior discussion with the local CWU rep;
• The re-sign and all consequential training must be planned into the revision process;
• Specialist jobs that are reselected against are filled using the procedure in Section 15;
• The re-sign will be run using a national standard procedure based on seniority, and not take more than four weeks to complete. In very large units, agreement to an extension to this deadline must be given by the Head if Performance following local discussion between management and CWU. At the end of the exercise all jobs and reserve posts must have been signed for.
WAY FORWARD AGREEMENT 2000
16.1 The new standard resourcing procedures covered in the previous two sections of this agreement benefit employees by giving them regular opportunities to apply for a change of job, both within their unit and their resourcing area. These incorporate and standardise the current practises of rolling re-signs, based on seniority.
This section deals with the only other circumstance where people change jobs. This is where jobs alter significantly as a result of the introduction of major change. The overriding aims for managing all such exercises must be to minimise customer disruption and avoid unnecessary displacement of employees in a way that conforms to equal opportunities legislation. This will be ensured by timely planning and full CWU involvement at all stages of the exercise.
16.2 Major change is ? defined as:
• The relocation or merger of units;
• A significant process alteration arising from automated working or reshaping of the pipeline;
• Delivery revisions, which involve significant re-plotting of walks or significant restructuring of attendance patterns (e.g. full-time/part-time mix, five-day weeks, ‘longs and shorts’ or ‘night plus a first delivery’, where they are agreed).
16.3 Major change is defined as:
• Revisions of staffing arrangements, using the procedures agreed in the Performance Bonus Scheme, to implement the Performance Bonus Scheme, Shorter Working Week, Meal Relief Harmonisation and Work Time Learning or to improve alignment of staffing to workload in order to make performance improvements, unless they fall into the categories of major change defined in paragraph 2 above.
• Delivery revisions which do not involve significant re-plotting of first delivery walks.
Where such a revision displaces an individual, or where an individual’s earnings are affected, local discussions shall take place in line with the principles contained in Sections 14 and 15, which may vary the order to protect the individuals displaced. Timely planning will reduce the number of people affected in this way by the revision.
16.4 Where there is a major change as defined above, the key principles for dealing with the re-sign are:
• Employees whose jobs remain unaffected by the major change will retain them;
• These employees will have the option of applying for any of the jobs involved in the re-sign resulting from the major change, provided they have completed a minimum of twelve months on their existing duty (see Section 14 and 15). If this creates a resultant vacancy that would be filled using the normal resourcing procedures in Section 14 or 15;
• Employees taking part in the re-sign will be given the opportunity to advise of any personal circumstances, which necessitate a particular duty type or attendance pattern and, where practical, this will be accommodated. Where this happens, there will be prior discussion with the local CWU rep;
• The re-sign and all consequential training must be planned into the revision process;
• Specialist jobs that are reselected against are filled using the procedure in Section 15;
• The re-sign will be run using a national standard procedure based on seniority, and not take more than four weeks to complete. In very large units, agreement to an extension to this deadline must be given by the Head if Performance following local discussion between management and CWU. At the end of the exercise all jobs and reserve posts must have been signed for.
WAY FORWARD AGREEMENT 2000
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re sign opt out
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16.3 Major change is defined as:
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16.3 Major change is not defined as:
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16.3 Major change is defined as:
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Question, shouldn't...
16.3 Major change is defined as:
Say
16.3 Major change is not defined as:
All downloads even cwu says...
16.3 Major change is defined as:
Confused.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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streets97
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Re: Re sign opt out
I was of the understanding that if 25% or over of the whole office was effected then the re sign would take place. You can not opt out unless you are under the DDA, in which case a duty should be ring fenced for you.
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Chelseablue
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Re: Re sign opt out
No revision taking place or have u had that ? . Our place ran brilliantly before the disaster of a revision , there was no point in it , or was there?????. Thanks simon
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SpacePhoenix
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Re: Re sign opt out
If your duty hasn't changed by more than a certain percentage (can't remember what) then you can take your duty out of the pot
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tractorboy2
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Re: Re sign opt out
Surely going from one delivery round to another delivery round is not a change of job ??
The Way Forward agreement was supposedly meant to stop seniority.
If the revisions did what they were supposed to do , give everyone a fair and equal workload , no one would change their duty.
The Way Forward agreement was supposedly meant to stop seniority.
If the revisions did what they were supposed to do , give everyone a fair and equal workload , no one would change their duty.
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Chelseablue
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Re: Re sign opt out
This revision has created the most uneven workloads in our history !! Wed be out the door if we created that disaster . Union doing nothing , as longs hes alright .
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re sign opt out
No, there is no % on that part, the % you may be talking about is the % needed for a resign.SpacePhoenix wrote: ↑16 Dec 2021, 19:33If your duty hasn't changed by more than a certain percentage (can't remember what) then you can take your duty out of the pot
Personally, I am unaware of anything % related that means a duty can be pulled from a resign.
Prepared to be corrected of course.
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My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re sign opt out
Doesn't work that way, in deliveries anyway, 9 times out of 10, or rather 99 out of 100 revisions will usually trigger a resign.tractorboy2 wrote: ↑17 Dec 2021, 06:40Surely going from one delivery round to another delivery round is not a change of job ??
The Way Forward agreement was supposedly meant to stop seniority.
If the revisions did what they were supposed to do , give everyone a fair and equal workload , no one would change their duty.
Prepared to be corrected of course.
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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POSTMAN
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Re: Re sign opt out
It's very very rare for a full office 'delivery' revision to have 'untouched' duties.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
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Chelseablue
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Re: Re sign opt out
Reg equality act, told a few weeks back that instead of dutys being set aside for staff struggling with conditions that fall under this , the resign now goes on as normal until it comes to youreslf and you see a suitable duty . Is this official or ?
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clashcityrocker
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Re: Re sign opt out
Utter bollocks.Chelseablue wrote: ↑10 May 2022, 14:15Reg equality act, told a few weeks back that instead of dutys being set aside for staff struggling with conditions that fall under this , the resign now goes on as normal until it comes to youreslf and you see a suitable duty . Is this official or ?
If you need a duty with no steps for example, then such a duty needs to be identified at the outset and removed from general signing otherwise it might not be there when the person needing it is due to sign for a duty.
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