Structural vs table top revisions

[postmanzach]

Why do some offices get selected for structural revisions and not table top?

With the table top revisions it’s being based upon the weighted items per work hour, but I haven’t heard this mentioned once with our structural revision, and when I have requested to see the figures they said they haven’t got them yet. Perhaps will see them today and I can stop thinking something strange is going on!

How accurate and agreed upon is geo route?

[postmanzach]

Also I had no idea about geo route until this started. I been telling people don’t rush around because of pda actuals you will end up with a bigger round, but now it seems that’s bollocks. We looked at some rounds close to 6 hours on the geo route but the postie is a “runner” gets it done closer to 4- 4.5, the manager has said it’s fine to leave it he is simply fast.

[Marshamp11]

Also I had no idea about geo route until this started. I been telling people don’t rush around because of pda actuals you will end up with a bigger round, but now it seems that’s bollocks. We looked at some rounds close to 6 hours on the geo route but the postie is a “runner” gets it done closer to 4- 4.5, the manager has said it’s fine to leave it he is simply fast.

So what happens if there is a repick and the runner doesn't get or want it. Just accuse the OPG who ends up on it that they are to slow I suppose.

[citypostie]

Also I had no idea about geo route until this started. I been telling people don’t rush around because of pda actuals you will end up with a bigger round, but now it seems that’s bollocks. We looked at some rounds close to 6 hours on the geo route but the postie is a “runner” gets it done closer to 4- 4.5, the manager has said it’s fine to leave it he is simply fast.

So what happens if there is a repick and the runner doesn't get or want it. Just accuse the OPG who ends up on it that they are to slow I suppose.

That's exactly what would happen because geo route says it's doable using all the data and average pace they put into it

[shayanboon]

Have had a third party group session with "troubleshooter" asked if geo route being used not this year.

[Martin Walsh]

Every Office will have a structural revision within the next 3 years.

For now the plan is a maximin of 400 offices will have a structural revision where your indoor will be based on IWT and your outdoor will be based on geo route. This will be then calculated to WIPWH and will determine your year 2 and 3 reviews/ revisions.

For the other 886 Delivery Offices they will do a table top revision using WIPWH depending on the category they were in at 27-30 2019. This is then updated by the traffic of 2020.

[shayanboon]

Thanks for the reply, obviously we are still not singing from the same hymn sheet as this third party seemed pretty certain this was further along the three year process also not quite sure the Rep is following the prescribed method of revision in assessing PDA OA in conjunction with the DOM.
Or are we not meant to be aware of PDA usage.

[Martin Walsh]

PDA OA is not a revision tool. Either for a table top or structural revision.

All revisions are in year 1 of a 3 year flight path.

The only need for looking at the PDA OA is if the geo route says this block of flats or a street takes you an hour and you believe it takes 90 mins the PDA OA can verify that.

[Acca Dacca]

What does a tabletop revision entail compared to a structural? Does tabletop trigger an office resign?

[Martin Walsh]

The difference is that the table top revisions give each office a target revision hours after their productivity improvement. In the vast majority of offices there is not going to be significant change so in the majority of offices there will not need to be a full resign as the criteria for resign under the way forward would not have been triggered.

For example out of 886 offices due a table top

304 offices have more work hours in their revision hours after their productivity improvement than they did in 2019.

299 offices have between 1 hour and 50 hours less than in 2019 after their productivity improvement.

9 offices have the same hourage after their productivity improvement.

154 offices have between 51 hours to 100 hours less than in 2019 after their productivity improvement.

The remainder are the bigger units with over 4000 hours in and those offices who have seen less traffic in 2020 than in 2019 due to inner city businesses having to work from home , or have airports which have largely closed , or have universities which have seen a decline in Mail. We have agreed a resolution for those offices within the agreement.

[Acca Dacca]

Appreciate the reply Martin thank you

[shayanboon]

Thanks again, getting mixed messages in regards Geo Route and use of.
PDA OA, with seen documentation for the DOM, it is their responsibility to review all walks and to implement improvements to those regularly going over and source more work for those regularly going under hours. As submitted on other posts this is with the minimum of disturbance.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

What happens if the headcount needed after the revision is less than the current headcount?

[Cucumber]

What happens if the headcount needed after the revision is less than the current headcount?

A question I would like to know the answer to also. Offices are currently being run on overtime, even without covid reasons.
Any member of staff that have left ours in the past 5-6 years has caused no increase in contracted hours for the rest. Plenty of full time staff have left, not one part time member given a FT contract.
Planning a revision on 'Joe likes a bit of overtime' simply shouldn't be happening in my view.

[Woody Guthrie]

Just like any revision the MTSF comes into play if there are surplus hours.
How likely that is will depend on how well staffed your office is going into the revision.