I would have thought the Long Term aim of the Business would be to recruit New Starters with the proviso that they had to work Sundays.
That way RM could probably take the hit of paying extra, to encourage current staff to man the shortfall, until they had enough of these New Starters.
Are u suggesting the new starters should be paid standard rate on the Sunday? We already have a 2 tier workforce with the part timers at ours having not been made up for several years, this suggestion adds a 3rd tier. Besides that most new starters now seem to be given temporary contracts in readiness for when RM can water down the uso and get rid of a load of us.
My gut feeling is that eventually all staff will do Sundays at some point, probably on rotation
So what will non driver’s do on a Sunday in delivery offices then?
Non drivers will eventually be Mon-Fri when Saturday becomes a parcel only day.
Non drivers will eventually be rarer than hen's teeth.
Queue 1000s of staff saying they no longer want to drive for the business
There are quite a few posties who drive to work and then work as non-drivers. Just think of the mountain of parcels that drivers have to deliver everyday that are left by those high capacity trolley wielding non-drivers. I reckon some of them might be prepared to walk out a bit further if they could avoid both working a Saturday (or Sunday) and of delivering a trolley full of parcels.
On the face of it, shareholder value is the dumbest idea in the world.
My gut feeling is that eventually all staff will do Sundays at some point, probably on rotation
So what will non driver’s do on a Sunday in delivery offices then?
Non drivers will eventually be Mon-Fri when Saturday becomes a parcel only day. Non drivers will eventually be rarer than hen's teeth.
I just don't see it to be honest. Plenty offices have a reasonably high % of staff that don't/won't drive for RM and understandably no incentive to do so.
What would happen if an office had a revision and once all the duties and reserve slots were taken there was only van jobs doing later finishes and weekends, could people not prepared to change to these hours/days be made redundant and people lower down the seniority list who were happy to do it keep jobs, I suppose it could happen.
My gut feeling is that eventually all staff will do Sundays at some point, probably on rotation
So what will non driver’s do on a Sunday in delivery offices then?
Non drivers will eventually be Mon-Fri when Saturday becomes a parcel only day.
Non drivers will eventually be rarer than hen's teeth.
Queue 1000s of staff saying they no longer want to drive for the business
There is a process in place for those who invalidate themselves from driving either through licence suspension, medical reasons or through personal choice.
It isn't just a case of "I'm not driving anymore" so I want a non driving duty. When you agree to drive for RM and do the changeover driving becomes part of your contract.
In the process it states that although RM will try to accommodate you in your parent office that may not be possible and you may have to move office to an office that has non driving duties available.
My gut feeling is that eventually all staff will do Sundays at some point, probably on rotation
So what will non driver’s do on a Sunday in delivery offices then?
Non drivers will eventually be Mon-Fri when Saturday becomes a parcel only day.
Non drivers will eventually be rarer than hen's teeth.
Queue 1000s of staff saying they no longer want to drive for the business
...and then probably 1000s as easy pickings for getting rid of staff. Don't think it'll be too long before RM design ALL duties to require being able to drive. Probably not going to be too long before RM start moving DOs en-mass onto industrial estates a long way from the area that they cover
The Working Time Directive and the Royal Mail and CWU working time directive agreement which is part of the Way Forward says :
Individuals should have 24 hour break from work every seven days and if they don’t in the first week they have to have a 48 hour uninterrupted break in the second week.
We have a four week shift rotate of earlies into lates into nights then a week off. So much for the WTD or RM's and CWU's adherence to it.
I actually have only started driving again during covid and have missed it, been off driving for the last 18 months before covid at my request as I find controlling my type 1 diabetes/ driving and working in pairs quite a challenge to be honest. When I started you used your own car/worked alone so was easier for me to manage, gonna see what help they can offer in this revision, if I could get a van duty I’d work till 5 every day but 7/8 o clock finishes every day no way.
1. First of all they're not going to get rid of existing non drivers, there's no need and it would be too messy.
2. It's been business policy for at least 10 years that you need a licence to apply for a job so eventually non drivers will be rare
3. If you were employed as a non driver and have never driven for RM you're a non driver, anyone else is a driver whether they drive for RM or not.
4. Non drivers will not work Sundays because they're no use to the business, same might go for Saturdays in the future.
5. Non drivers will likely find their options in a repick are severely limited depending on the delivery methods going forward. Hct duties or potentially LWT with feeds but long mostly letters delivery.
6. Drivers who "decide" they're not going to drive anymore for Royal Mail could potentially be talking themselves out of a job or certainly out of their office.
My gut feeling is that eventually all staff will do Sundays at some point, probably on rotation
So what will non driver’s do on a Sunday in delivery offices then?
Non drivers will eventually be Mon-Fri when Saturday becomes a parcel only day.
Non drivers will eventually be rarer than hen's teeth.
Queue 1000s of staff saying they no longer want to drive for the business
There is a process in place for those who invalidate themselves from driving either through licence suspension, medical reasons or through personal choice.
It isn't just a case of "I'm not driving anymore" so I want a non driving duty. When you agree to drive for RM and do the changeover driving becomes part of your contract.
In the process it states that although RM will try to accommodate you in your parent office that may not be possible and you may have to move office to an office that has non driving duties available.
When I started having a driving license wasn’t a necessity. At no stage has my contract changed to say anything other.
Contracts don't work like that.
Your contract changed last month to include Sunday working.
Do you see it written anywhere on your contract today?
When you started using a PDA were you sent a new contract?
When they took away your bike were you sent a new contract?
These are implied changes to your contract, you can choose to drive and you can choose not to drive but in both cases the business sets the rules...
Plenty in our office have 'stepped down' from driving and not a thing has been done or said. Interesting times ahead if they only now enforce the policy that your job/location is at stake if you decide not to drive. Like anything in RM, it's a problem of their own making.
I remember having a conversation with Martin about 10 years ago when we both had different names on here..
He posted this..
Employment law is not on our side on this issue. The law is an ass.
This was proved when postmen were forced to drive car dervied vans during last years dispute. We got legal advice from specialists and it was not very good. Our members in the end had to make a choice did they face discpline or did they drive.
