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[aiden01]

completely your choice. vote no. accept rico's RM.

Its not rico's rm shareholders ultimately decide who is boss an obviously they have not got rid of him yet so they must have faith in his great plan. They are the one's who stand to lose millions maybe more but agree the poor posties will lose out in the end.
But like ive already said no faith in tub thumper pullinger or ward. that is only reason im voting no.

[ssdd]

Anyone who votes No in the upcoming ballot is INSANE! Insane I tell you. It's akin to opening your front door and letting a bunch of thieves ransack your property.

[Celgar]

The strike in December last year was never going to happen as postal votes & election mailings could not be disrupted. Union hotheads gave them the ammunition to stop it but they would have found another way to stop it.
A majority or strong vote for strike action is primarily leverage to get a better result from negotiations. I am not optimistic for the future of our jobs but we cannot sit back and let them destroy the business and take our jobs away. So we have to vote Yes and take a stand. We have to do it in spring of this year before the mail drops in summer otherwise we are pretty much doomed.

[LouBarlow]

completely your choice. vote no. accept rico's RM.

But like ive already said no faith in tub thumper pullinger or ward. that is only reason im voting no.

Voting no to ruin your job because you don't have faith in the leaders? Makes zero sense, but hey. Why even be in the union if that is how you feel?

[aiden01]

completely your choice. vote no. accept rico's RM.

But like ive already said no faith in tub thumper pullinger or ward. that is only reason im voting no.

Voting no to ruin your job because you don't have faith in the leaders? Makes zero sense, but hey. Why even be in the union if that is how you feel?

Well if im not in union i wont get a chance to vote for my choice of a new leader.

[Tinoblade]

completely your choice. vote no. accept rico's RM.

But like ive already said no faith in tub thumper pullinger or ward. that is only reason im voting no.

Voting no to ruin your job because you don't have faith in the leaders? Makes zero sense, but hey. Why even be in the union if that is how you feel?

Seems that's what world we're living in. Exactly what people did with corbyn

[Hitcher]

The union need to real and accept that the business needs to change with the times and be apart of that change. Instead they bleat on about how bad change is just to protect the lazy workers who are destroying the job and costing the business money.

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The union need to real and accept that the business needs to change with the times and be apart of that change. Instead they bleat on about how bad change is just to protect the lazy workers who are destroying the job and costing the business money.

Spot on and most of the lazy ones are the full time release reps who do nothing for their money.

[Phantom]

The union need to real and accept that the business needs to change with the times and be apart of that change. Instead they bleat on about how bad change is just to protect the lazy workers who are destroying the job and costing the business money.

Spot on and most of the lazy ones are the full time release reps who do nothing for their money.

What a load of bollocks!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The union need to real and accept that the business needs to change with the times and be apart of that change. Instead, they bleat on about how bad change is just to protect the lazy workers who are destroying the job and costing the business money.

Isn't that what the last agreement was about, pensions, new ways of working, change through agreement an end to the bullying culture. Now, who reneged on that after he took over the top job. Shares went up when the agreement was reached, so the financial market like it, but they have since crashed spectacularly, and Mr Back has been hovering uploads of shares.

Of course, its not like he has a history of Union busting and forcing down T&Cs is it: https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 15&t=92476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[DGH]

The essential problem is that Royal Mail always end up being unreasonable in their actions, but the union are unrealistic in their ambitions.

Letters are in terminal decline. In another ten years we could easily see another 50% fall. Whatever the optimists might wish, more and more will be done by email, and as less tech-savvy older people die off, that will accelerate. There's absolutely no way a growth in packets is going to compensate for that, especially not in a 'competitive' marketplace.

Looking to make RM manage decline and the inevitable loss of jobs in a sensible way should be top of the union's list.

However, it's true that we're our own worst enemies. All this backbiting about 'runners' or 'snails', people with easy jobs, whatever, just puts the blame in the wrong places. Wider UK politics, technology and RM senior management are the real issues driving this change.

It doesn't help if someone's coming in an hour early and going home two hours before their time, neither does it help if someone drags out their delivery to occupy all their hours. Both things happen.

We do need to take action to stop Back trampling all over our T&Cs. But RM have been undermining them for years and years (employing P/T staff on fewer hours than they're regularly expected to work, regular use of 'casuals' in mail centres, etc etc).

Pullinger's tub-thumping is, in my view, unnecessary. The workforce don't need rousing speeches to support the union, they need the union to have a clear, structured plan. And wanting everything in the '4 Pillars' to be honoured seems to me to be to be living in the past. Back's essentially torn up that agreement (RM always backslide on agreements). We need a union who can clearly and calmly articulate the essential problem to the general public. Otherwise we won't get much public support (and of course a strike at the time of year when traffic is lightest may not have a terrific effect on RM anyway - beyond perhaps showing that we can do 6 days work in 5, or even 4).

[Sugar]

If the job had been done correctly a lot more people would have ended up on F/T contracts

It doesn't matter how many times this nonsense is repeated it still won't be true.
Offices are not and never have been resourced according to "runners"
Full time jobs have gone because letter traffic has fallen and automation has increased.
There is no longer the indoor work to sustain the old levels of full time employment unless you go for an unrealistic duty span and no amount of using a trolley is going to change that.

We'll agree to disagree.

[HTPostman]

The essential problem is that Royal Mail always end up being unreasonable in their actions, but the union are unrealistic in their ambitions.

Letters are in terminal decline. In another ten years we could easily see another 50% fall. Whatever the optimists might wish, more and more will be done by email, and as less tech-savvy older people die off, that will accelerate. There's absolutely no way a growth in packets is going to compensate for that, especially not in a 'competitive' marketplace.

Looking to make RM manage decline and the inevitable loss of jobs in a sensible way should be top of the union's list.

However, it's true that we're our own worst enemies. All this backbiting about 'runners' or 'snails', people with easy jobs, whatever, just puts the blame in the wrong places. Wider UK politics, technology and RM senior management are the real issues driving this change.

It doesn't help if someone's coming in an hour early and going home two hours before their time, neither does it help if someone drags out their delivery to occupy all their hours. Both things happen.

We do need to take action to stop Back trampling all over our T&Cs. But RM have been undermining them for years and years (employing P/T staff on fewer hours than they're regularly expected to work, regular use of 'casuals' in mail centres, etc etc).

Pullinger's tub-thumping is, in my view, unnecessary. The workforce don't need rousing speeches to support the union, they need the union to have a clear, structured plan. And wanting everything in the '4 Pillars' to be honoured seems to me to be to be living in the past. Back's essentially torn up that agreement (RM always backslide on agreements). We need a union who can clearly and calmly articulate the essential problem to the general public. Otherwise we won't get much public support (and of course a strike at the time of year when traffic is lightest may not have a terrific effect on RM anyway - beyond perhaps showing that we can do 6 days work in 5, or even 4).

This is exactly what I mean. The average man in the sreeet who hears about 4 pillars won’t have a clue and won’t care what it means.

On the other hand, make it known to the public RM are failing to pay average holiday pay as required by law, and have bullying/racist management and people will listen. Just look at everyone getting offended at what he or she has done on social media. The union need to play the game - manager X from the depot in Joeblogsville took an employee down the conduct route for having a heart attack on delivery and was openly racist to another employee and people will listen. Reach out to the amazon and Hermes couriers who are having to pee in their vans.

Stop tub thumping over four pillars and put it into simple terms and something can be done.

I’m in the minority and I’ll be shot down here but I’d settle for a ‘written in stone and legal law’ deal like the following:

-An end to ghost overtime. All hours to be worked but a slightly higher rate for those doing above their contracted hours - still rewarding those who are doing extra loops.
-Start/finish times to move by no more than a half hour.
-Paid breaks to remain.
—Managers to be subjected to the same conduct code as us.
-Average holiday pay to be paid out at 75% of what is owed, on the one hand no long complicated claims, on the other hand everyone who’s worked above their hours get a nice stress free amount added to their next wage packet.

And all this to be secured for 5 years, no reneging or backtracking giving mid term security to us all.

I think that’s firmly meeting RM in the middle.

[aiden01]

The union need to real and accept that the business needs to change with the times and be apart of that change. Instead, they bleat on about how bad change is just to protect the lazy workers who are destroying the job and costing the business money.

Isn't that what the last agreement was about, pensions, new ways of working, change through agreement an end to the bullying culture. Now, who reneged on that after he took over the top job. Shares went up when the agreement was reached, so the financial market like it, but they have since crashed spectacularly, and Mr Back has been hovering uploads of shares.

Of course, its not like he has a history of Union busting and forcing down T&Cs is it: https://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/communi ... 15&t=92476" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Why has he been hovering up loada of shares tho.

[Grumpyoldmailman]

The essential problem is that Royal Mail always end up being unreasonable in their actions, but the union are unrealistic in their ambitions.

Letters are in terminal decline. In another ten years we could easily see another 50% fall. Whatever the optimists might wish, more and more will be done by email, and as less tech-savvy older people die off, that will accelerate. There's absolutely no way a growth in packets is going to compensate for that, especially not in a 'competitive' marketplace.

Looking to make RM manage decline and the inevitable loss of jobs in a sensible way should be top of the union's list.

However, it's true that we're our own worst enemies. All this backbiting about 'runners' or 'snails', people with easy jobs, whatever, just puts the blame in the wrong places. Wider UK politics, technology and RM senior management are the real issues driving this change.

It doesn't help if someone's coming in an hour early and going home two hours before their time, neither does it help if someone drags out their delivery to occupy all their hours. Both things happen.

We do need to take action to stop Back trampling all over our T&Cs. But RM have been undermining them for years and years (employing P/T staff on fewer hours than they're regularly expected to work, regular use of 'casuals' in mail centres, etc etc).

Pullinger's tub-thumping is, in my view, unnecessary. The workforce don't need rousing speeches to support the union, they need the union to have a clear, structured plan. And wanting everything in the '4 Pillars' to be honoured seems to me to be to be living in the past. Back's essentially torn up that agreement (RM always backslide on agreements). We need a union who can clearly and calmly articulate the essential problem to the general public. Otherwise we won't get much public support (and of course a strike at the time of year when traffic is lightest may not have a terrific effect on RM anyway - beyond perhaps showing that we can do 6 days work in 5, or even 4).

Average holiday pay to be paid out at 75% of what is owed, on the one hand no long complicated claims, on the other hand everyone who’s worked above their hours get a nice stress free amount added to their next wage packet.

And all this to be secured for 5 years, no reneging or backtracking giving mid term security to us all.

I think that’s firmly meeting RM in the middle.

Why would you accept 75% of what is legally owed?