Dispute Update : Today Royal Mail have announced executive action in 15 different offices across the UK.

[SpacePhoenix]

I think that 08:00-16:00 could happen eventually for full-time DO staff, RM could have later collection times and so process more parcels

[LouBarlow]

I think people not concerned about clocking in and out are missing the point. Royal Mail's plan is to only pay you for the hours you work, so if you come back 20 minutes early, boom, you lose 20 minutes of pay. You might think that you can string out your delivery or work slower, but again, you are being tracked every step of the way, to make sure you are earning that money.

[chickenwittle]

Then unfortunately you have to make decisions. Nothing stays the same in our lives. Harsh but a fact. Sorting childcare is just one of those responsibilities that come when parents work. As some of us are saying RM won’t give a s**t about people’s responsibilities when it comes to making business decisions. Maybe that was what was behind the “ job for everyone one who wants it and can do it” quote.

Don’t know how long you’ve been in the job but we’ve already moved to later start times on 2 seperate occasions now , where do you draw the line .Its getting to the point where the job times are completely different to what we signed up to and that’s not acceptable to thousands of people.

[Sugar]

And this is were RM's use of the term "there are jobs for those who can and want to work for us" comes in.

Later start times were always on the cards it was just a case of when it was going to happen.

"Work all your contracted hours" another little gem that was in an agreement years ago and yet people still did not wise up to the fact that at some point RM would, when the technology was available, make you work every single second you are paid to work just like they do in thousands of other businesses up and down the country. How you clock in and out is another matter but if they bring in fingerprint scanning, which isn't all that expensive to do, they'll be no more getting your mate to drop you off at home and they then log you out of the PDA when they get back to the office.

Should have done the job properly like the union have called for so many times because now there's data to prove, rightly or wrongly, that hours can be saved.

[SpacePhoenix]

And this is were RM's use of the term "there are jobs for those who can and want to work for us" comes in.

Later start times were always on the cards it was just a case of when it was going to happen.

"Work all your contracted hours" another little gem that was in an agreement years ago and yet people still did not wise up to the fact that at some point RM would, when the technology was available, make you work every single second you are paid to work just like they do in thousands of other businesses up and down the country. How you clock in and out is another matter but if they bring in fingerprint scanning, which isn't all that expensive to do, they'll be no more getting your mate to drop you off at home and they then log you out of the PDA when they get back to the office.

Should have done the job properly like the union have called for so many times because now there's data to prove, rightly or wrongly, that hours can be saved.

I believe it was the Pay & Mod agreement where job & finish was axed

[Woody Guthrie]

Royal Mail are paying Facebook money and supplying employees data to ensue their message gets on employees timelines.

Is this the CWU tin hat brigade, what possible employee data could they be giving to Facebook, I have a rough idea about target advertising, cookies, GDPR and advertising permissions on websites but they would or 'could' only be using keywords to target FB users for advertising purposes.

Royal Mail would not be able to give employee data for this purpose as there isn't any kind of data to give.

And the CWU complaining about Royal Mail using Facebook?? Really!

I think it's a combination of tin hat, a lack of understanding on how Facebook works and an attempt to stir up a bit of anti-RM feeling.

Royal Mail can't supply Facebook with employee data without their express permission, that would be blatantly unlawful for both companies.

They can obviously ask Facebook to target anyone who lists their occupation as Royal Mail or frequently mentions RM in their posts but it's a bit of a pointless approach when you can force members of staff to sit down every week and watch their crappy videos anyway

And yes complaining about the dodgy use of social media.. funny as f**k.

[Woody Guthrie]

I think people not concerned about clocking in and out are missing the point. Royal Mail's plan is to only pay you for the hours you work, so if you come back 20 minutes early, boom, you lose 20 minutes of pay. You might think that you can string out your delivery or work slower, but again, you are being tracked every step of the way, to make sure you are earning that money.

Thing is though, isn't one of the biggest complaints on here unmanageable workloads?

Personally I'm not too worried about being paid for the hours I work, I don't expect any freebies from this mob. The question is more to do with what comes with it.

Monitoring work hours really only makes any sense with performance management, that's the really scary part the union should be asking questions about.

What standard are they going to expect us to work to and what are they going to do to the guys who can't meet that standard.

What they're certainly not going to do is pay you an extra hour because you take an hour longer than the next guy.

[LouBarlow]

I think people not concerned about clocking in and out are missing the point. Royal Mail's plan is to only pay you for the hours you work, so if you come back 20 minutes early, boom, you lose 20 minutes of pay. You might think that you can string out your delivery or work slower, but again, you are being tracked every step of the way, to make sure you are earning that money.

Thing is though, isn't one of the biggest complaints on here unmanageable workloads?

Personally I'm not too worried about being paid for the hours I work, I don't expect any freebies from this mob. The question is more to do with what comes with it.

Monitoring work hours really only makes any sense with performance management, that's the really scary part the union should be asking questions about.

What standard are they going to expect us to work to and what are they going to do to the guys who can't meet that standard.

What they're certainly not going to do is pay you an extra hour because you take an hour longer than the next guy.

I guess I am lucky then, as our office has achievable rounds that I save time on during quieter days, and that is after starting on time and having breaks. This last Christmas was the lightest I've encountered in all my years in the job, but that is due to our area finally losing Amazon as a contract in the last year I presume. We predicted they would come crawling back to us in the festive period - they didn't, so that ship has sailed now.

The next revision will be interesting, so I might well be back then complaining about unachievable workloads too.

[POSTMAN]

Royal Mail are paying Facebook money and supplying employees data to ensue their message gets on employees timelines.

Is this the CWU tin hat brigade, what possible employee data could they be giving to Facebook, I have a rough idea about target advertising, cookies, GDPR and advertising permissions on websites but they would or 'could' only be using keywords to target FB users for advertising purposes.

Royal Mail would not be able to give employee data for this purpose as there isn't any kind of data to give.

And the CWU complaining about Royal Mail using Facebook?? Really!

I think it's a combination of tin hat, a lack of understanding on how Facebook works and an attempt to stir up a bit of anti-RM feeling.

Royal Mail can't supply Facebook with employee data without their express permission, that would be blatantly unlawful for both companies.

They can obviously ask Facebook to target anyone who lists their occupation as Royal Mail or frequently mentions RM in their posts but it's a bit of a pointless approach when you can force members of staff to sit down every week and watch their crappy videos anyway

And yes complaining about the dodgy use of social media.. funny as f**k.

Behave yourself, you militant loonie keyboard warrior...
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[rogersh]

I think the CWU and us members have to be careful here. It seems that the union and ourselves are just moaning and nitpicking holes in every bit of change. Yes we may not want or like change (who does?), but people moaning because they have to clock in and out or their start time might move by 30 minutes is going to come across as petty. I’m sure many people have to clock on or have their start/finish times adjusted to fit in with their employers business needs. We need to pick the real big points out and fight RM on those fronts. Reading this site there are hundreds of things people moan and winge about but you can’t call a strike on everybody’s personal gripes. As someone else has mentioned RM won’t give a damn that your kids finish school at such and such a time, and to be fair why should they. It is a parents responsibility to provide childcare for their kids not your employers.

I don’t think anyone has suggested that it’s RM’s responsibility to sort childcare. It is about people choosing the line of work because it fit with their childcare needs. To change the start and finish times affects that.

As indicated in the following extract RM pride themselves on being a "Family Flexible" employer.


Royal Mail plc CORPORATE RESPONSIBILITY REPORT 2017– 18

"Our diversity steering groups for Women and Parents and Carers established a subgroup to review Royal Mail’s flexible working policy. The groups are working with external partners such as Working Families and Employers for Carers to develop an action plan to help promote flexible working across our business."

[terry2972]

What interests me if they do away with ghosting are they actually going to pay a proper overtime rate as who will do the uncovered work?

[GRS]

Then unfortunately you have to make decisions. Nothing stays the same in our lives. Harsh but a fact. Sorting childcare is just one of those responsibilities that come when parents work. As some of us are saying RM won’t give a s**t about people’s responsibilities when it comes to making business decisions. Maybe that was what was behind the “ job for everyone one who wants it and can do it” quote.

Don’t know how long you’ve been in the job but we’ve already moved to later start times on 2 seperate occasions now , where do you draw the line .Its getting to the point where the job times are completely different to what we signed up to and that’s not acceptable to thousands of people.

29 years in May. Yes you are quite correct that we’ve moved start/finish times on numerous occasions and I for one wish we were still on the old two deliveries times where we started at 5 and finished at 12 although most of the time it was 11!!!!! Don’t get me wrong I don’t want later starts and finishes, all I’m saying is that using it as a key point in IA isn’t going to garner any public support when you’re talking of 20/30 mins a day.

[Chitchat]

If RM only pay us for the hours worked, then surely that is a zero hour Contract. As a 39 hour contract is guaranteed 39 hours of paid work every week. I personally have no issue working every minute of my time every day. My issue would be what stops RM from rushing us round making lighter days by streaming mail etc so they can trim the wage bill certain weeks. This for me is an absolute no negotiation point. I work hard for RM I'm never sick never late and give it my all. In return I expect some level of commitment back from the employer in terms of a stable employment.

[rogersh]

38 hours since October 2018.

[eastie]

I think people not concerned about clocking in and out are missing the point. Royal Mail's plan is to only pay you for the hours you work, so if you come back 20 minutes early, boom, you lose 20 minutes of pay. You might think that you can string out your delivery or work slower, but again, you are being tracked every step of the way, to make sure you are earning that money.

Whats the problem , just work your hours and do the job properly have your break , van checks the works and come back on time