DGSP Terry Pullinger on the current talks with Royal Mail

hero22 · Post by **hero22** » 23 Jul 2019, 23:56

why is it we were stopped from striking on a national scale by courts but single offices strike on a regular basis ? if the courts say no to strike action is it not possible just for each office to carry out their own strike which equates to a national strike ?

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 24 Jul 2019, 11:55

hero22 wrote:why is it we were stopped from striking on a national scale by courts but single offices strike on a regular basis ? if the courts say no to strike action is it not possible just for each office to carry out their own strike which equates to a national strike ?

The current wave of strikes are technically illegal as they are unballoted. If we had a nationwide series of unballoted strikes it's likely the Union would have legal action taken against it, including seizure of assets.

Phantom · Post by **Phantom** » 24 Jul 2019, 16:21

The Union is following procedure now as it should have done the last time as they didn't go to mediation, this time it will and if it fails we're balloting and we'll be out for Christmas but if it's a success then it's a 37hr week for full time and a pay rise for part time in October.

But my opinion, get ready for a battle.

Post by **rogersh** » 24 Jul 2019, 21:31

Terry states; "The business seem reluctant to go into external mediation but they've got a choice - we either go into external mediation or we go straight to whatever the next route is for us to progress our disagreement."
So can Royal Mail choose to opt out of external mediation?

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 25 Jul 2019, 07:34

rogersh wrote:Terry states; "The business seem reluctant to go into external mediation but they've got a choice - we either go into external mediation or we go straight to whatever the next route is for us to progress our disagreement."
So can Royal Mail choose to opt out of external mediation?

Maybe they think the cwu won't get the backing for strike action if they ballot so are calling Terry's bluff or they want us to strike in September before the parcels ramp up towards christmas

Post by **rogersh** » 26 Jul 2019, 17:49

citypostie wrote:
rogersh wrote:Terry states; "The business seem reluctant to go into external mediation but they've got a choice - we either go into external mediation or we go straight to whatever the next route is for us to progress our disagreement."
So can Royal Mail choose to opt out of external mediation?
Maybe they think the cwu won't get the backing for strike action if they ballot so are calling Terry's bluff or they want us to strike in September before the parcels ramp up towards christmas

Timescale for previous external mediation
24/10/2017 Mediator appointed
26/10/2017 Terry Pullinger enters mediation
01/12/ 2017 Mediators report published

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 26 Jul 2019, 20:09

rogersh wrote:
citypostie wrote:
rogersh wrote:Terry states; "The business seem reluctant to go into external mediation but they've got a choice - we either go into external mediation or we go straight to whatever the next route is for us to progress our disagreement."
So can Royal Mail choose to opt out of external mediation?
Maybe they think the cwu won't get the backing for strike action if they ballot so are calling Terry's bluff or they want us to strike in September before the parcels ramp up towards christmas
Timescale for previous external mediation
24/10/2017 Mediator appointed
26/10/2017 Terry Pullinger enters mediation
01/12/ 2017 Mediators report published

So if royal mail say no to mediation the cwu would go straight to a ballot? Possible meaning action earlier in the year not at Christmas?

Marshamp11 · Post by **Marshamp11** » 26 Jul 2019, 20:15

citypostie wrote:
rogersh wrote:
citypostie wrote:
rogersh wrote:Terry states; "The business seem reluctant to go into external mediation but they've got a choice - we either go into external mediation or we go straight to whatever the next route is for us to progress our disagreement."
So can Royal Mail choose to opt out of external mediation?
Maybe they think the cwu won't get the backing for strike action if they ballot so are calling Terry's bluff or they want us to strike in September before the parcels ramp up towards christmas
Timescale for previous external mediation
24/10/2017 Mediator appointed
26/10/2017 Terry Pullinger enters mediation
01/12/ 2017 Mediators report published
So if royal mail say no to mediation the cwu would go straight to a ballot? Possible meaning action earlier in the year not at Christmas?

Depending how long IA went on for. It could roll into Xmas.

citypostie · Post by **citypostie** » 28 Jul 2019, 09:38

Marshamp11 wrote:
citypostie wrote:
rogersh wrote:
citypostie wrote:
rogersh wrote:Terry states; "The business seem reluctant to go into external mediation but they've got a choice - we either go into external mediation or we go straight to whatever the next route is for us to progress our disagreement."
So can Royal Mail choose to opt out of external mediation?
Maybe they think the cwu won't get the backing for strike action if they ballot so are calling Terry's bluff or they want us to strike in September before the parcels ramp up towards christmas
Timescale for previous external mediation
24/10/2017 Mediator appointed
26/10/2017 Terry Pullinger enters mediation
01/12/ 2017 Mediators report published
So if royal mail say no to mediation the cwu would go straight to a ballot? Possible meaning action earlier in the year not at Christmas?
Depending how long IA went on for. It could roll into Xmas.

We need to be striking November onwards for maximum impact on Rico and his mates

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 28 Jul 2019, 10:08

citypostie wrote:
We need to be striking November onwards for maximum impact on Rico and his mates

The maximum impact might be a lot of people moving their custom to our competitors.

Post by **Navalron** » 29 Jul 2019, 11:26

clashcityrocker wrote:
citypostie wrote:
We need to be striking November onwards for maximum impact on Rico and his mates
The maximum impact might be a lot of people moving their custom to our competitors.

Post by **TrueBlueTerrier** » 29 Jul 2019, 12:02

Navalron wrote:
clashcityrocker wrote:
citypostie wrote:
We need to be striking November onwards for maximum impact on Rico and his mates
The maximum impact might be a lot of people moving their custom to our competitors.

But he is right, and every postie has to weigh the advantages and disadvantages both personally to themselves, their colleagues, and the business as well.

Any strike will drive some customers to our competitors, but if the reason for the strike is strong enough that shouldn't stop us, but it is something we should acknowledge.

lambe720 · Post by **lambe720** » 29 Jul 2019, 14:46

Well said

clashcityrocker · Post by **clashcityrocker** » 30 Jul 2019, 15:31

Everybody in the Courier seems to be on board.
Can't see any of them voting for industrial action.

30+YEARMAN · Post by **30+YEARMAN** » 30 Jul 2019, 23:05

clashcityrocker wrote:Everybody in the Courier seems to be on board.
Can't see any of them voting for industrial action.

Yes, they look so happy, I don,t know what Universe they are in but it seems a long way from mine.