Part Time Walks

[SpacePhoenix]

I understand that if an OPG has been shown to be working consistently at a rate above his contracted hours, and there's a Duty that needs that ammount of hours, then the PTer should be made up to those extra hours. Check it out with the Area Delivery Rep .... Your Unit Rep obviously doesn't know about it or he'd be doing something about it, wouldn't he?

It'll be the most senior PTer that'll get first dibs at being made up

[Dorset Plodder]

It'll be the most senior PTer that'll get first dibs at being made up

The Seniority Angle makes sense. Not sure how that works if it's NOT the Senior PTer that's been doing all the extra Hours?

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd been the one putting in all the extra hours but the Duty was offered to someone else. However knowing the way RM work it wouldn't surprise me at all!

[P13]

It'll be the most senior PTer that'll get first dibs at being made up

The Seniority Angle makes sense. Not sure how that works if it's NOT the Senior PTer that's been doing all the extra Hours?

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd been the one putting in all the extra hours but the Duty was offered to someone else. However knowing the way RM work it wouldn't surprise me at all!

The most senior part timers may have taken another part time job outside royal mail because royal mail won't make them up to full time

[Acca Dacca]

It'll be the most senior PTer that'll get first dibs at being made up

The Seniority Angle makes sense. Not sure how that works if it's NOT the Senior PTer that's been doing all the extra Hours?

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd been the one putting in all the extra hours but the Duty was offered to someone else. However knowing the way RM work it wouldn't surprise me at all!

Thats why you only work extra hours if it suits yourself - not because you think you are doing the DOM a favour

Ive heard it in my office ''ohhh I done all these extra hours on overtime so I should get this that and the next thing''.

Well they werent working for free where they?

Imagine you are a more senior part timer who the manager isnt fond of, doesnt ever ask to do OT and gives the OT out to his favourites who have put in a lot less years - and the full time contract gets offered to them. Is THAT fair?

Seniority is the best system.

[2yearpostie]

It'll be the most senior PTer that'll get first dibs at being made up

The Seniority Angle makes sense. Not sure how that works if it's NOT the Senior PTer that's been doing all the extra Hours?

I'd be pretty pissed off if I'd been the one putting in all the extra hours but the Duty was offered to someone else. However knowing the way RM work it wouldn't surprise me at all!

Thats why you only work extra hours if it suits yourself - not because you think you are doing the DOM a favour

Ive heard it in my office ''ohhh I done all these extra hours on overtime so I should get this that and the next thing''.

Well they werent working for free where they?

Imagine you are a more senior part timer who the manager isnt fond of, doesnt ever ask to do OT and gives the OT out to his favourites who have put in a lot less years - and the full time contract gets offered to them. Is THAT fair?

Seniority is the best system.

The only part of that that isnt fair is not offering the ot to everyone. If everyone is offered the ot those that do the majority of it should then be made up regardless of seniority.

[clashcityrocker]

The only part of that that isnt fair is not offering the ot to everyone. If everyone is offered the ot those that do the majority of it should then be made up regardless of seniority.

There are a multitude of reasons why someone might not be able to perform ad hoc/irregular overtime. (Caring responsibilities/benefit system/second job etc etc etc)
It doesn't mean they should be denied the possibility of an improved contract.

[2yearpostie]

The only part of that that isnt fair is not offering the ot to everyone. If everyone is offered the ot those that do the majority of it should then be made up regardless of seniority.

There are a multitude of reasons why someone might not be able to perform ad hoc/irregular overtime. (Caring responsibilities/benefit system/second job etc etc etc)
It doesn't mean they should be denied the possibility of an improved contract.

if they dont have the time to preform irregular overtime then how do they find the time to work all paid hours of a larger contract?

[toonshola]

The only part of that that isnt fair is not offering the ot to everyone. If everyone is offered the ot those that do the majority of it should then be made up regardless of seniority.

There are a multitude of reasons why someone might not be able to perform ad hoc/irregular overtime. (Caring responsibilities/benefit system/second job etc etc etc)
It doesn't mean they should be denied the possibility of an improved contract.

if they dont have the time to preform irregular overtime then how do they find the time to work all paid hours of a larger contract?

Maybe at the exact moment the contract is offered their youngest child starts high school so they no longer have that commitment. Or maybe they just can’t be arsed with the hassle of chasing missing overtime. There are hundreds of reasons and the extra hours will and should be offered using seniority. It’s the only fair system.

[clashcityrocker]

It might allow them to come off the benefits system - as I understand it Universal Credit isn't easy to navigate if you continually have to declare extra income on an irregular basis.
They might decide to give up a second job.
Their caring duties might change as children go to school, or grandparents move closer.

Life could throw up many different possibilities.

[2yearpostie]

What fair about postie A never working overtime but getting first dips on a greater contract when postie B has been working all hours good sends to make the bigger contract possible in the first place?

Suddenly postie B whos been working all these extra hours gets their overtime taken off them (which they need otherwise they wouldnt have working it in the first place) while postie A whos been cruising up to now runs round and finishes in his normal time but gets an extra paid for free because of their new contract...

[clashcityrocker]

Nothing in life is fair.

[toonshola]

What fair about postie A never working overtime but getting first dips on a greater contract when postie B has been working all hours good sends to make the bigger contract possible in the first place?

Suddenly postie B whos been working all these extra hours gets their overtime taken off them (which they need otherwise they wouldnt have working it in the first place) while postie A whos been cruising up to now runs round and finishes in his normal time but gets an extra paid for free because of their new contract...

Postie B working all the extra hours doesn’t mean they have created this bigger contract. The office is under resourced and someone else would have done that overtime if they hadn’t, the work would have always been there.
There are full timers in my office who always work 60 hours per week. Should these be given 60 hour contracts and be paid 60 hours on leave and sick pay?
And the being paid for free bit has confused me, we get paid hourly. Work 8 hours then 8 hours pay, work 6 hours then 6 hours pay.

[Acca Dacca]

What fair about postie A never working overtime but getting first dips on a greater contract when postie B has been working all hours good sends to make the bigger contract possible in the first place?

Suddenly postie B whos been working all these extra hours gets their overtime taken off them (which they need otherwise they wouldnt have working it in the first place) while postie A whos been cruising up to now runs round and finishes in his normal time but gets an extra paid for free because of their new contract...

Its postie B working all the hours god sends that meant a contract wasnt needed to be given out in the first place

RM prefer people doing OT so dont need to pay sick and holiday pay if no one did the OT theyd have to offer FT contracts.

Postie B continuing to work OT suits RM right down to the ground.