LTB 223/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay ( Holiday pay flow chart that must be followed from the beginning of April 2019 for members submitting grievances, ACAS conciliation forms and ET claim forms)

LTB 223/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

No. 223/19

10th April 2019



Dear Colleague,

Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

Further to LTB 163/19, please find attached a revised and final holiday pay flow chart that must be followed from the beginning of April 2019 for members submitting grievances, ACAS conciliation forms and ET claim forms.

Please note that in paragraphs 7 and 11 it is the name of the relevant Legal & Medical Secretary or Branch Secretary that must now be used. Claims that have already been submitted will continue to be dealt with by David Wilshire, Postal Executive member at CWU HQ.

Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Pullinger
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

19LTB223. Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pyublt-ztkjiuyil-i/

LTB 223.19 Attachment 1 – FINAL Holiday Pay Flow Chart https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pyublt-ztkjiuyil-d/

View Online https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pyublt-ztkjiuyil-h/

I must be old school.
Union talks to management and doesn't get any joy.
Union ballots members for industrial action.

What next? A PDF explaining how to do your own stage 3 RTU ?
What do we pay our subs for?

Jeez - simple process then !

why don't the cwu just d a standard generic letter with all the details that need to be in a letter and posties just put there own details on to it , name , office , wages etc , then you would get more posties claiming against the company , but heho , ive just had a weeks leave and couldn't get my head on what needs to go into this so I never bothered . surely the cwu have a legal team that can do this ?

If CWU know members are entitled to this then why are they not taking this forward! Unfair if you are the only one that comes forward in your office and it is not received well.

Lets set up a company like the ones claiming for ppi but for unpaid holiday overtime. Or we could start a union to do this for us.

Extract from LTB
No. 123/19

22nd February 2019
"Dear Colleague,
Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay
.......In conjunction with the Legal Services Department an eleven step process has been drafted (attached). This will provide Divisional Representatives, Branches and PFW Regional Organisers with a step by step guide, illustrating how to take claims for the “non-payment of holiday pay” forward.

This will initially concentrate on submitting a test case from each postcode area throughout the Country. In the event that Royal Mail Group still refuse to negotiate, the intention is then to widen the strategy by grouping the cases raised in their respective postcode areas to be submitted as a collective claim against Royal Mail Group..........."

So have these test cases (est. 124) not been adequate to secure negotiation?

am on leave now so what do I do ????????

am on leave now so what do I do ????????

Link to cwu Ralph Ferrett facebook video (posted in Blue shirts)
https://www.facebook.com/377255671092/p ... 93?sfns=mo

HOLIDAY PAY - FLOW CHART
1. Branch Secretaries together with Legal & Medical Secretaries
(where appropriate) and in conjunction with the Lead
Divisional Rep from each Division need to give the widest
possible circulation to this LTB to inform members of their rights to
make claims for the “non-payment of holiday pay” whilst on leave
for each week or period of leave from the start of April 2019.

2. These members do not need to be grade specific as the claim is
about employer v employee.

3. It does not matter whether these members are part-time or fulltime as this is about additional hours worked and average
earnings.

4. Claims for holiday pay entitlement only covers the first 20 days of
any annual leave. Therefore members taking leave should submit
a claim based on their average wages over the previous twelve
weeks.

5. ET Claims need to be submitted no longer than 3 months from
their last period of leave or the claim will be null and void.

6. To commence the process a grievance must be formally registered
with Royal Mail Group and the claimant must then immediately
complete step 7 below in order to protect the claim. (Grievance
timescales are 1-14 days with manager, 5-28 days second line
manager and appeals 12-42 days but can be progressed
unilaterally).

7. All claimants must complete and submit the on-line ACAS Early
Conciliation application which requires details of themselves, who
the claim is against, i.e. Royal Mail Group, the basis of the
claim, non-payment of holiday pay and in the section
regarding representation they should put either the name of
their Branch Secretary or Legal and Medical Secretary and
their address.

8. Claimants will receive notification from ACAS that their claim has
been successfully lodged.

9. ACAS will contact Royal Mail to enquire if they are interested in
early conciliation (we expect the answer to be negative). If this
happens that will be the end of the early conciliation process and
ACAS will notify the member and provide them with an appropriate
certificate.

10.Once the member receives the ACAS certificate which states the
process has concluded, members must then immediately submit a
claim to an Employment Tribunal (usually on-line) using form ET1.
Please note our members must include the ACAS early
conciliation certification reference number, which must be included
in the appropriate section of the ET1 application form.

11.The Employment Tribunal Office will send confirmation to the
member that their ET1 application has been successfully lodged.
Please note in the section of the ET1 form regarding
representation, the member must again complete this by
stating the name and Office address of either their Branch
Secretary or Legal and Medical Secretary. The Employment
Tribunal Offices will then contact this representative and it will be
the intention to liaise with the Tribunal Service in order to request
that all the claims are grouped as a collective claim against Royal
Mail. This will then be done in conjunction with the Union’s
Solicitors at Unionline

Maybe everyone should just stop docket until they come across with the cash. We all know that without people working it,RM comes to a halt.Not so much in the MCs but in the DOs as the MCs are pretty much casualised and part time now and we all know within a day or two their will be yorks lined up all over the place, in trailers ect. Play them at their own game. I know a lot of posties, especially part time staff need the extra hours but short term pain for long term gain.

How do I put in a grievance? Is there a template letter?

Write a simple e-mail to your manager asking for a grievance to be lodged on PSP over the non-payment of average pay whilst on leave.Then complete the online ACAS Early Conciliation form.

I usually do OT on adhoc basis unlike some of my colleagues on schedule

Usually when on AL I dont get any OT pay

If Im reading this right, am I entitled to an average of my OT

Yes