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LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay (ET1 Hints + Video)

21 Mar 2019, 12:21

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay
No. 163/19

19th March 2019



Dear Colleague,

Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

Further to LTB 123/19 issued on 22nd February 2019 which detailed the Union’s approach to addressing the long-standing issue of average earnings for holiday pay whilst on annual leave and getting management back to the table to negotiate a collective agreement.

As part of the aforementioned LTB, an eleven step process (that had been produced in conjunction with the Legal Services Department and presented to Divisional Representatives at the meeting in York on 20th February 2019) was circulated.

In effect, this strategy formed the first phase of our activity and we can confirm that a number of cases have already been identified and are being processed. Whilst these are at an early stage, Royal Mail Group (RMG) are continuing to settle existing claims with individuals for periods of annual leave that have been taken where they believe average pay has not been received however this is not part of an ongoing agreement. In short, this means that each member will have to continue submitting a separate claim for each week(s) of annual leave they take.

A further consideration is that the twelve previous weeks of average earnings are only applicable to the first four weeks of holiday pay inclusive of bank holidays and this is a time of the year when most people have already taken more than four weeks of annual leave.

That said, the initial activity has had the desired effect as RMG have indicated that they now want to engage with the Union to progress this issue. We have now agreed that our respective legal teams will meet again to commence drafting an outline of an overall agreement and meetings are due to commence.

There is however a need to supplement our strategy with a second phase of activity in order to ensure any negotiations maintain momentum and an agreement is concluded at pace. This is a particular necessity given that the new annual leave year commences in April and members will be taking some of their four weeks allocation that currently qualify for average pay earnings. The Union therefore want to ensure that everyone taking annual leave from April will not be penalised in respect of not being paid their average earnings whilst on leave.

We therefore need to be in a position by the start of April where every member of the Union is made fully aware of their rights and how to commence individual claims against the business. We need Branches to give this LTB the widest possible circulation in order to kick-start this process and make members aware of their rights. This will also be supported via a communication strategy utilising Facebook and Twitter.



Following this, Branches will need to work in tandem with their Legal and Medical Officer (where applicable) and Lead Divisional Representative to ensure that the number of claims is maximised and together with our members identified in LTB 123/19 receive the holiday pay they are legally entitled to.

Please find attached to this LTB a flowchart that members making a claim need to follow, as well as paperwork containing hints that can form the basis of each grievance and the completion of the ET1 pro-forma. Branches will also find attached a control sheet that can be used to keep a record of the claims as they are lodged.

We realise that this will be a significant piece of work but RMG must be made to appreciate that the issue of average pay on leave will not go away and that they must now sit down to reach an acceptable collective agreement with your Union.

Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department and further updates will be issued in due course.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Pullinger
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

BRANCH HOLIDAY PAY FLOW CHART MARCH 19 https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pxdukk-ztkjiuyil-d/

ET1 hints https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pxdukk-ztkjiuyil-h/

Copy of Holiday pay control sheet https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pxdukk-ztkjiuyil-k/

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

21 Mar 2019, 13:42

so will there be a form handed out from the cwu to fill in to do this ?

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

21 Mar 2019, 18:35

will the "12 week average" be limited to a max 38hrs holiday pay (or whatever the FT contract is at the given office) or can say a FT worker who also regularly does overtime also get more holiday pay for their 1st 4 weeks?
doesn't seem to be clear reading as it's really based on a PT working FT hours in our argument.

1 further point that needs to be addressed is working whilst on annual leave, we know it isn't allowed but it does go on anyway,
if it does get passed on paying the average then someone could book a week off and work it, if they get a week of 70hrs booked in then it will massively bump their average up if another weeks leave taken within the qualifying period,
RM have so many agreements that they are allowed to pick and choose which to enforce and which to turn a blind eye to if it suits them

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

21 Mar 2019, 22:52

after reading this , its says start putting claims in for annual leave from April 2019 , but is that a start date to claim from or how far do you go back to put these claims in ? with acas etc ,as im guessing most don't save wage slips or clock there hours they have worked over them weeks or have I missed summat.

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

22 Mar 2019, 06:46

Is the union going to make this easy to do? I imagine it's going to cause a lot of grief between members and managers

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

22 Mar 2019, 14:39

I thought that is why we pay our subs.
Not so we have to do it ourselves.

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

22 Mar 2019, 15:27

k?

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

24 Mar 2019, 10:49

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay
No. 163/19

19th March 2019



Dear Colleague,

Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

Further to LTB 123/19 issued on 22nd February 2019 which detailed the Union’s approach to addressing the long-standing issue of average earnings for holiday pay whilst on annual leave and getting management back to the table to negotiate a collective agreement.

As part of the aforementioned LTB, an eleven step process (that had been produced in conjunction with the Legal Services Department and presented to Divisional Representatives at the meeting in York on 20th February 2019) was circulated.

In effect, this strategy formed the first phase of our activity and we can confirm that a number of cases have already been identified and are being processed. Whilst these are at an early stage, Royal Mail Group (RMG) are continuing to settle existing claims with individuals for periods of annual leave that have been taken where they believe average pay has not been received however this is not part of an ongoing agreement. In short, this means that each member will have to continue submitting a separate claim for each week(s) of annual leave they take.

A further consideration is that the twelve previous weeks of average earnings are only applicable to the first four weeks of holiday pay inclusive of bank holidays and this is a time of the year when most people have already taken more than four weeks of annual leave.

That said, the initial activity has had the desired effect as RMG have indicated that they now want to engage with the Union to progress this issue. We have now agreed that our respective legal teams will meet again to commence drafting an outline of an overall agreement and meetings are due to commence.

There is however a need to supplement our strategy with a second phase of activity in order to ensure any negotiations maintain momentum and an agreement is concluded at pace. This is a particular necessity given that the new annual leave year commences in April and members will be taking some of their four weeks allocation that currently qualify for average pay earnings. The Union therefore want to ensure that everyone taking annual leave from April will not be penalised in respect of not being paid their average earnings whilst on leave.

We therefore need to be in a position by the start of April where every member of the Union is made fully aware of their rights and how to commence individual claims against the business. We need Branches to give this LTB the widest possible circulation in order to kick-start this process and make members aware of their rights. This will also be supported via a communication strategy utilising Facebook and Twitter.



Following this, Branches will need to work in tandem with their Legal and Medical Officer (where applicable) and Lead Divisional Representative to ensure that the number of claims is maximised and together with our members identified in LTB 123/19 receive the holiday pay they are legally entitled to.

Please find attached to this LTB a flowchart that members making a claim need to follow, as well as paperwork containing hints that can form the basis of each grievance and the completion of the ET1 pro-forma. Branches will also find attached a control sheet that can be used to keep a record of the claims as they are lodged.

We realise that this will be a significant piece of work but RMG must be made to appreciate that the issue of average pay on leave will not go away and that they must now sit down to reach an acceptable collective agreement with your Union.

Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department and further updates will be issued in due course.

Yours sincerely,



Terry Pullinger
Deputy General Secretary (Postal)

BRANCH HOLIDAY PAY FLOW CHART MARCH 19 https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pxdukk-ztkjiuyil-d/

ET1 hints https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pxdukk-ztkjiuyil-h/

Copy of Holiday pay control sheet https://emails.cwu.org/t/d-l-pxdukk-ztkjiuyil-k/


How do "monthly paid" employees o about fill out the ET1 form ? as it only outlines the way for weekly paid employees.

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

26 Apr 2019, 18:21

Anyone done this yet? First stage in the procedure is to put in a grievance with Royal Mail. How do I do this? Please don't advise to see union rep as they are not interested.

LTB 163/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay

26 Apr 2019, 19:30

kevbo wrote:Anyone done this yet? First stage in the procedure is to put in a grievance with Royal Mail. How do I do this? Please don't advise to see union rep as they are not interested.

Scroll down to LTB 223/19 - Royal Mail Group Holiday Pay on the Union room forum for related information & Ralph Ferrett facebook video link.

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