RMCtv : Terry Pullinger : "If people do less than eight hours a month - it isn't, it really isn't a lot of money(lost)"

[POSTMAN]

Terry Pullinger Workplace live

Yeah, listen, I know it is a big, it's it's a big debate, but don't forget, this has gone on since two thousand and fourteen,
and we've not been able to get an agreement around it is a significant agreement, and it's been, a, you know, significant cost,
to the business as well.

But from all the court cases or all the settlements that we've had in cyber male, but from all the cold cases outside of Royal Mail , they're all different, all depends on what the employer does, what employer, and they've all got different interpretation around what's regular, so that's that's the real key issue about what is regular, so what we've settled on in terms of our agreement, which actually the lawyers as well were hugely supportive of as if people do eight hours a month now in our industry eight hours a month with the amount, of overtime, etcetera that's available, 8 hrs a month is doable in our opinion, is reasonable that people have got the opportunity, if they want to hit eight hours a month, so and the big driving force for us, and this agreement, of course, was all our part timers where many of them who should have been on full time contracts, and i believe a lot of them have now moved to full time contracts of a consequence of our revisions, so another major plus,
to those people.

But the people that were working excessive hours over and above, over and above their conditioned hours, who weren't receiving that when went on leave, so at the last count, I think there's over fifty thousand people in our industry , the had back pay from now going forward, I appreciate with the backpay , people didn't know what the, regular, you know, the the the 8 hrs a month issue, they didn't know that, but going forward people understand that, but even without people knowing that, over fifty thousand people,have a benefit from a payment.

We've also listened, and we've gone back to the business, and we're talking about people that maybe on duty patterns with which make them, you know a disadvantage,
like wallingtons five weeks on one week off, etcetera, those types of people we're looking now to try and go back and sort that out because everything we've done is based on what's fair, so we're trying to look at people as well that we're wrapped up in the covid situation, et cetera, people on jury service, so we're going background again, so we're trying to be as fair as possible.

If people do less than eight hours a month and then you do that averaged over the six month uh, it isn't it really isn't a lot of money, so I don't know if people need to if people work that out.

But you know, we never had anything before we do get holiday pay, we never had anything before, on average, pay, this is absolutely a way of trying to address that, and we've got a review in that agreement by the way, and if we review that and we genuinely think it's unfair to people the opportunity is not there to do the level as of overtime that we would be would meet our interpretation of regular, then I'm sure we'll address that, but as I say, at least you got to, you got to make a line somewhere, and whenever you make that line, anyone who comes below, it is gonna feel disappointed, I understand that, but it's a pretty low bar in our industry, if you look at the average overtime performed by people on a regular basis.

[clashcityrocker]

Pillock.

[fb1969]

Twat, deluded and disconnected from the people he supposedly represents.

[ted_e_bear]

So what's next from this bunch of clowns, I can predict it next year's pay negotiation....

Well uh we got you a pay deal yeah I know it's s**t and we had to compromise by agreeing to lose your paid breaks but we knew you didn't all take them anyway so it's no big loss and increasing your deliveries but uh before we got it you had fuk all so you've got a bit more pay but anyway don't worry about me I'm alright jack.

[woofwoof]

It may be not a lot of money to you MR Pullinger
But trust me every penny counts these days.

[worktotime]

doesnt he understand ? , as i worked 70+ hours in the last 6 months but because i didnt hit 8 HOURS IN ONE OF THE MONTHS i wont get and didnt get jackshit its not f***ing rocket science and how can it be right , so whats saying Oct , Nov , Dec , Jan , Feb , you drag the company out the s**t and do the best for your customers as we do , and do 200 hours o/t but then a dim cuts the o/t in March to less than 8 hours and you would again get jackshit , anyway logged a claim for the 6 month with acas yesterday

[2yearpostie]

Id fight in the street for 80 quid tel, that pays council tax for that month.

[ssdd]

"If people do less than eight hours a month and then you do that averaged over the six month uh, it isn't it really isn't a lot of money".

No, it's not even enough to buy a decent meal, is it Terry!

[IloveMYredTROLLEY!]

Having to work 8+ hours of overtime a month for each six month period, to get a single penny of extra holiday pay, is an absolutely disgraceful agreement.

It might not be much extra on ~£100k salaries like yours, Terry, but it makes hell of a difference on OPG wages... Especially on the part timers contracts offered for well over the last ten years, often being required to spread their pitiful ~25 hour contracts over five days for a whole ~£15k gross.

[Pumpernickel]

Everywhere else I've ever worked: holiday pay is the average of the prior 12 weeks wage.

If I did 1 hour per week for 12 weeks: My holiday pay included an extra hour.

If I did 12 hours one week, and none for the next 11: My holiday pay included an extra hour.

If I did 12 hours per week for 8 weeks and none on the following 4: My holiday pay would reflect the average.

At RM: I can do 40 hours overtime per week, every week, for 5 months, then lose the extra holiday pay if I do less than 8 hours (to the minute!!!) in the last month. That's a lot of money.

[fb1969]

A lot of people seem to have missed out on average holiday pay because they took a week's leave - how the hell the CWU couldn't see that coming is beyond belief. Too busy wanting to nod their heads in agreement than looking at the bleeding obvious.

[Kaning It]

It’s painful just reading that.

We need more people putting in claims to push to get a better deal.

[Weetrogg2]

Unbelievable!! I recently wrote to TP telling him that maybe he should consider resigning considering this absolutely disgraceful deal he negotiated, I didn’t even receive a reply.

Everything that is wrong with this agreement was easily foreseeable but TP response is to double down on his belief
that he’s got us the “best deal available “.

My son’s both work for a fast food chain and their holiday pay is calculated on the previous 12 weeks which is simple and fair, they have no union representation. How a union with the resources and and experience of the CWU could negotiate and ratify such a flawed agreement is shameful.

TP celebrates the fact that 50,000 got some kind of back pay, so by my calculations that leaves about 40,000 got nothing.

What’s really worrying is the same people who negotiated and promoted this agreement are the same ones lead by TP who are negotiating national agreements that will and are effecting our workplaces.

I am a local rep and received all my holiday pay but still think TP should resign but that’s maybe because I’m one of those as TP would say “ don’t like change “

TP for the good of this union and more importantly it’s members - Resign now!!

[world class male]

or out of the frying pan into the fire and join unite, its a recognised union that they must represent even if conflicted
to be honest the cwu offers nothing now other than personal representation if things go pear shaped if you make a mistake, cwu seems to offer absolutely nothing in terms of general working conditions

[world class male]

Unbelievable!! I recently wrote to TP telling him that maybe he should consider resigning considering this absolutely disgraceful deal he negotiated, I didn’t even receive a reply.

Everything that is wrong with this agreement was easily foreseeable but TP response is to double down on his belief
that he’s got us the “best deal available “.

My son’s both work for a fast food chain and their holiday pay is calculated on the previous 12 weeks which is simple and fair, they have no union representation. How a union with the resources and and experience of the CWU could negotiate and ratify such a flawed agreement is shameful.

TP celebrates the fact that 50,000 got some kind of back pay, so by my calculations that leaves about 40,000 got nothing.

What’s really worrying is the same people who negotiated and promoted this agreement are the same ones lead by TP who are negotiating national agreements that will and are effecting our workplaces.

I am a local rep and received all my holiday pay but still think TP should resign but that’s maybe because I’m one of those as TP would say “ don’t like change “

TP for the good of this union and more importantly it’s members - Resign now!!

this coming from a rep speaks volumes