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Angard casuals V Christmas casuals? EVERYONE PLEASE READ!!

An 'unofficial' forum for those who either work for Royal Mail or are looking to work for Royal Mail through the Angard Staffing Agency.This is an open forum.
Verging
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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Britvic55 wrote:As a RM casual, yes we are cheaper, but it has been quiet at Truro this week & we all had our shifts cut. Some offered to take a day off. In the late evening there were hardly any staff working at all.
The problem here is the letter we received telling us not to apply for Christmas work that gave the impression both RM permanents and Angard casuals would be assigned Christmas work and then the new RM Christmas casuals would get work. That appears to have changed and we have not been assured we will be working at Christmas at all now. At the moment we appear to be on-call and after RM Christmas casuals have been assigned. We were also planned and booked for working the Christmas periods along with the RM permanents.

If we dont work for 28 days apparently we lose our RM vetting. This then needs to be redone which is apparently taking 3 weeks - ooops just enough time to lose AWR qualification!!!. A 28 day period of no work is also enough of a gap for us to receive our P45s from Angard.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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You couldn't move for staff at the DMC on Tuesday lates but it was only Angardees who were laid off as far as I'm aware.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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Verging wrote:
Britvic55 wrote:As a RM casual, yes we are cheaper, but it has been quiet at Truro this week & we all had our shifts cut. Some offered to take a day off. In the late evening there were hardly any staff working at all.
The problem here is the letter we received telling us not to apply for Christmas work that gave the impression both RM permanents and Angard casuals would be assigned Christmas work and then the new RM Christmas casuals would get work. That appears to have changed and we have not been assured we will be working at Christmas at all now. At the moment we appear to be on-call and after RM Christmas casuals have been assigned. We were also planned and booked for working the Christmas periods along with the RM permanents.

If we dont work for 28 days apparently we lose our RM vetting. This then needs to be redone which is apparently taking 3 weeks - ooops just enough time to lose AWR qualification!!!. A 28 day period of no work is also enough of a gap for us to receive our P45s from Angard.
Sometime in August/September 2012, Angard casuals received a letter from Sam Slater so called "account manager" for Angard Staffing solutions persuading us to "refrain from applying to Royal Mail for Christmas Casual jobs" because Angard would be giving us more work!? This person needs to be challenged on an empty, deceitful promise and a copy needs to be sent to Moya Greene, CEO of RMG who probably has no idea about this employment fiasco/unfairness.

I for one heeded the advice like many others!

WE WHO are EMPLOYED BY ANGARD HAVE BEEN LIED TO and utterly deceived!

In actuality one could not apply because if you were an existing employee of Angard you were barred from applying by the website!!!!!

Not only have we received a drop in shifts offered but most have only been offered 4 hour shifts. What an utter con and deception by this dreadful company!

Unless we receive more shifts at this supposed "busy time", I shall be writing a letter of complaint and copying it to Moya Greene, CEO of Royal Mail Group.
This is totally unfair. discriminatory and unacceptable practice at the Exeter Mail Centre and seems to be happening all over.

This discriminatory employment practice must stop or Angard casuals will have no option but to take out tribunal procedures against angard.
Last year 2011 we all suffered the Angard payroll complete FIASCO now Xmas 2012 is giving us the "Shift" angst!! :sad: :coolr
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
So was I but after two days last week at DMC we were laid off. Ive just phoned Angard this moring and "there is no work on the system for me ATM"
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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ennabee wrote:
rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
So was I but after two days last week at DMC we were laid off. Ive just phoned Angard this moring and "there is no work on the system for me ATM"
You mentioned that you had'nt had a day off since March. And now you are not getting work in the most busy part of the year. It seems that RM has hired cheaper workers to replace you. I don't think the law allows this.
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rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
Had been booked in for Chrstmas to start on the 26th November (last Monday) - the Christmas "booking" was cancelled on the 27th just prior to starting the shift on the Tuesday. Not sure what is happening now - would expect to be in today (busiest day of the week) but no real thoughts about the rest of the week.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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rooney wrote:
ennabee wrote:
rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
So was I but after two days last week at DMC we were laid off. Ive just phoned Angard this moring and "there is no work on the system for me ATM"
You mentioned that you had'nt had a day off since March. And now you are not getting work in the most busy part of the year. It seems that RM has hired cheaper workers to replace you. I don't think the law allows this.

Its MarkAdam who didnt have a day off since march i was quoting him but I only had two blank weeks since April up until this week.... I even got Saturday work when I had a weeks holiday!
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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Verging wrote:
rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
Had been booked in for Chrstmas to start on the 26th November (last Monday) - the Christmas "booking" was cancelled on the 27th just prior to starting the shift on the Tuesday. Not sure what is happening now - would expect to be in today (busiest day of the week) but no real thoughts about the rest of the week.
The Christmas period officially starts today here, and ends on the 22nd. Only 3 weeks.

I've been working regularly for the last 6 months and would be really angry if I had been replaced by cheaper workers this Christmas.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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ennabee wrote:
rooney wrote:
ennabee wrote:
rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
So was I but after two days last week at DMC we were laid off. Ive just phoned Angard this moring and "there is no work on the system for me ATM"
You mentioned that you had'nt had a day off since March. And now you are not getting work in the most busy part of the year. It seems that RM has hired cheaper workers to replace you. I don't think the law allows this.

Its MarkAdam who didnt have a day off since march i was quoting him but I only had two blank weeks since April up until this week.... I even got Saturday work when I had a weeks holiday!
ok
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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rooney wrote:
Verging wrote:
rooney wrote:Not sure what is going on with others but ive been booked in for the whole christmas period with angard.
Had been booked in for Chrstmas to start on the 26th November (last Monday) - the Christmas "booking" was cancelled on the 27th just prior to starting the shift on the Tuesday. Not sure what is happening now - would expect to be in today (busiest day of the week) but no real thoughts about the rest of the week.
The Christmas period officially starts today here, and ends on the 22nd. Only 3 weeks.

I've been working regularly for the last 6 months and would be really angry if I had been replaced by cheaper workers this Christmas.
To me the Christmas period starts the first day you are requested to go in for the Christmas - for me this was last Monday. Other people started the "Christmas" period well before this. Some RM Christmas casuals have indicated on here they were called in very early in November.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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When I spoke to someone at Angard last Wednesday they said it was still on for this week but it seems we are back on a "wait around to get called in" basis.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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It was me that hasn't had a night off since March. It does seem that we have been replaced by cheaper workers. There's also more of them. Apparently in my MC tonight, there are 94 new casuals in. Not sure if that's including the casuals already there though. So now I'm staying up and waiting for Angard to phone me. Highly doubtful of course.
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Re: Angard casuals V Christmas casuals?

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massdebate121 wrote:It was me that hasn't had a night off since March. It does seem that we have been replaced by cheaper workers. There's also more of them. Apparently in my MC tonight, there are 94 new casuals in. Not sure if that's including the casuals already there though. So now I'm staying up and waiting for Angard to phone me. Highly doubtful of course.
CASUALTIES OF AWR
Initially it was suggested by CWU that Royal mail set up Angard to avoid the new AWR, as the legislation does not apply to in-house agencies, but this was dismissed as “nonsense” by a Royal mail spokesman who said: “Through Angard, our costs are lower than we’d pay to external agencies.” He added that its main job would be to recruit 18,000 temporary staff for the busy Christmas period.
As Angard have no obligation to the new AWR, as it does not apply to them, I do not understand why they state “Angard staffing are fully committed to this legislation and as a result are making adjustments to pay of those individuals reaching 12 weeks.”
You lose AWR status after break in assignment of over 6 weeks, even after qualification, according to agency worker regulations 2010 No 93- part 2 rights- 8(b)
Now it appears that several Angard workers who have achieved parity status are losing out because of a break in assignment. Having a 28 day clause for termination of contract without notice is absurd given the fluctuation levels of work within Royal mail. Then a 3 week break for re-vetting occurs which means a break in assignment of over 6 weeks.
As “Recruiter” reported, Angard will not be recruiting seasonal staff this Christmas at mail & distribution centres.
In September 2012 Angard casuals were notified not to apply for the Christmas temporary vacancies with Royal mail. Now the new Christmas casuals, on minimum wage, are being given priority over flexible resource workers because the majority are on a substantially higher rate of pay under AWR Qualification.

Are Royal mail/Angard really “fully committed to the legislation!!”
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I think they fell foul of the legislation by having Reed Specialist Recruitment manage it. Although it is a company owned by Royal Mail it is not run by Royal Mail and may not be strictly considered an "in-house" agency in terms of the legislation.
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