LTB 059/18 Pay and Four Pillars Agreement : Please read the attachment! : Agreement enclosed!

[I_Take_My_Breaks]

Union needs to get the message over that the SWW is a pay rise for everyone not just part timers. i.e If you choose to work 39 hrs over a 38/37 hr week you will be paid for 1/2 hours more than you are now. Your hourly rate has increased.

The union needs to get the message across that there are only two ways to remove hours from the business, one is the shorter working week and the other is headcount reduction.

Can't see any downside to a shorter working week. Hourly rate goes up, less time on delivery win win.

I suggest you read the agreement kevbo. Section 13 on the SWW states it does not always translate into shorter working days but can be used to create inventive duties........................that fit future customer needs.

[Destiny]

Seems ambiguous and a wishy washy wish list in the main?
Or do I put this to a "joint working group" just in case

[kevbo]

Union needs to get the message over that the SWW is a pay rise for everyone not just part timers. i.e If you choose to work 39 hrs over a 38/37 hr week you will be paid for 1/2 hours more than you are now. Your hourly rate has increased.

The union needs to get the message across that there are only two ways to remove hours from the business, one is the shorter working week and the other is headcount reduction.

Can't see any downside to a shorter working week. Hourly rate goes up, less time on delivery win win.

I suggest you read the agreement kevbo. Section 13 on the SWW states it does not always translate into shorter working days but can be used to create inventive duties........................that fit future customer needs.

Wow that's scary BS! A SWW does not translate to a shorter working day. I'm guessing they mean not every day but needs clarifying.

[yellowbelly]

I'm not the sharpest, so just a couple of questions. I've been working as a postie for 10 years and on a 29 hour contract (although I usually work 36-39 hours).

1. On top of the wage rise, will I also get an extra rise when the full-timers get a reduction in hours?
2. Has there been any agreement with regards to holiday and sick pay being made up to usual hours worked for part-timers?
3. Will we get a new individual pension forecast showing figures on retirement for the new proposed scheme?

Thanks in advance.

2. No this is not included in this agreement but is subject to further talks and also eyes are on pending legal cases.

Sorry Dingo, but this was/is one of the big issues for me and my fellow P/T'ers - one of the justifications for a 'No' vote from a regional
Union rep who came to our office banging the 'NO' drum was to look after the terms for future workers, the majority of who in all likelihood are going to be P/T'ers.
As it seems a positive result for this particular issue was not forthcoming during the negotiations feels like our 'No' votes have been wasted and
'subject to further talks' & 'eyes are on pending legal cases' (whose eyes?) suggests to me that this issue will be kicked into the
long grass....perhaps a simplistic view amongst the context of the whole negotiations but was an important factor to me when I voted 'No'.

[mr hil.]

In the details there is to be greater scrutiny of the weekly resource meetings and part timers hours that are constantly over their contracted hours will be flagged up and either a temporary or permanent increase in contracted hours offered, this would include an increase in the holiday entitlement etc. The review of the part time contracts are to be done every six months too.

[cloherty1976]

How will the sww affect network drivers ?

We don't get paid meal reliefs and our working week is 36.15...

What will our hours be with sww ?

Glad someone else has asked the question but can't see a answer!

[yellowbelly]

In the details there is to be greater scrutiny of the weekly resource meetings and part timers hours that are constantly over their contracted hours will be flagged up and either a temporary or permanent increase in contracted hours offered, this would include an increase in the holiday entitlement etc. The review of the part time contracts are to be done every six months too.

Appreciate your response mr h but there are two crucial words in the particular paragraph and they are 'where appropriate' - who decides who is eligible
for contract increase 'where appropriate'? I can imagine: Manager - "No it's not appropriate - our budget can't afford it"

[General Mannerheim]

In the details there is to be greater scrutiny of the weekly resource meetings and part timers hours that are constantly over their contracted hours will be flagged up and either a temporary or permanent increase in contracted hours offered, this would include an increase in the holiday entitlement etc. The review of the part time contracts are to be done every six months too.

Appreciate your response mr h but there are two crucial words in the particular paragraph and they are 'where appropriate' - who decides who is eligible
for contract increase 'where appropriate'? I can imagine: Manager - "No it's not appropriate - our budget can't afford it"

That shite was also in the other crap agreement and the weekly resource meetings are only done when the DOM or rep can be arsed, which is why this will never work as the turds in HQ think they always do weekly meetings (think I had 1 in 3 months.) because it says so on paper.

[shaunman]

Evening all,not sure this is on here yet but had a quick working out of the new pay per hour

October 2017 - £11.10 p/h
October 2018 - £11.39 p/h
April 2019 - £11.62 p/h
October 2019 £11.93 p/h

Also with the delivery supplement working out at over 50p per hour it’s not a bad wage.

The pensions are going to change every 3-5 years from now on I would imagine for the whole country not just us. My top tips areget your mortgage paid off as quick as possible, change your gas and electric every year and don’t buy cars on finance

It’s not a massive yes from me as I only get 1 vote but I will be voting yes.

[rogersh]

Can anyone clear this up for me.
I work 4 days at 7h 48 each day so 31.12 a week
my P and L partner is full time over 5 days 7h 48 so obviously 39 a week

when the reduction in hours commences, will my contract be adjusted to reflect this ( so down 12 mins a day, and 48 mins a week to 30 hours 24 mins a week) as although P/T I am technically working full time hours on the days I work. If the contract does not get adjusted I will be getting paid longer than my P and L partner for doing the same days work, which is not a massive problem for me

Only full timers i.e. 39 hours will have their hours reduced in stages - "Flight path" to 35 hour week by 2022.

All part time will remain on current hours with an obvious increase in pay rate.

You can't be technically full time - But is the point your making that you both need to start & finish the same time? (I am not on delivery so excuse my ignorance)

[mickeymacca]

Can anyone clear this up for me.
I work 4 days at 7h 48 each day so 31.12 a week
my P and L partner is full time over 5 days 7h 48 so obviously 39 a week

when the reduction in hours commences, will my contract be adjusted to reflect this ( so down 12 mins a day, and 48 mins a week to 30 hours 24 mins a week) as although P/T I am technically working full time hours on the days I work. If the contract does not get adjusted I will be getting paid longer than my P and L partner for doing the same days work, which is not a massive problem for me

Only full timers i.e. 39 hours will have their hours reduced in stages - "Flight path" to 35 hour week by 2022.

All part time will remain on current hours with an obvious increase in pay rate.

You can't be technically full time - But is the point your making that you both need to start & finish the same time? (I am not on delivery so excuse my ignorance)

Yeh essentially it is roger, my situation is that I am only contracted to work 4 days if I worked a 5th day (which i don't want) on the same hours I would be full time. (not sure if I've made that any clearer)
thanks for reply

[lightningpostman]

Evening all,not sure this is on here yet but had a quick working out of the new pay per hour

October 2017 - £11.10 p/h
October 2018 - £11.39 p/h
April 2019 - £11.62 p/h
October 2019 £11.93 p/h

Also with the delivery supplement working out at over 50p per hour it’s not a bad wage.

The pensions are going to change every 3-5 years from now on I would imagine for the whole country not just us. My top tips areget your mortgage paid off as quick as possible, change your gas and electric every year and don’t buy cars on finance

It’s not a massive yes from me as I only get 1 vote but I will be voting yes.

so what about our paid lunch breaks? with this decrease in hours what happens with paid breaks?

[Celgar]

Can someone please explain what these trials will actually be about? Also what is this automated hours data capture?
Thanks in advance

There is a lot of stuff mentioned in the new agreement but you have read to some of it several times and read between the lines. It certainly shouldn't be entered for a clear English award ! The line that made me giggle concerns a comment about Postie's being able to have more Saturdays off. We were promised that on the last pay agreement and saw it for a lie at best then. You can't pour one and a half pints of Guineas into a pint glass.
The AHDC trial regards monitoring how we do our work/deliveries and how we move about, enter & exit RM premises. This data will be compiled using new equipment in RM premises and from PDA usage.
There are at least two other trials mentioned in the agreement. One that is currently ongoing and is mentioned in the new agreement is timed delivery windows for tracked items. Initially they are looking at a four hour window but realistically speaking it could end up being a two or even a one hour window. Another trial that is mentioned several times concerns RMs pet hate - prepped mail being prepped again. The idea would involve D2D being pre-bundled up ready to be delivered. The letters & flats would all be sorted in sequence. Everything gets dropped off and you just take it out and deliver it. No need for sorting frames. Or so they think.........
The SWW idea worries me in that hardly anyone seems to have clicked that the work we do in those hours will not just disappear. It will still be there and you will still have to deliver it.

[rogersh]

Can anyone clear this up for me.
I work 4 days at 7h 48 each day so 31.12 a week
my P and L partner is full time over 5 days 7h 48 so obviously 39 a week

when the reduction in hours commences, will my contract be adjusted to reflect this ( so down 12 mins a day, and 48 mins a week to 30 hours 24 mins a week) as although P/T I am technically working full time hours on the days I work. If the contract does not get adjusted I will be getting paid longer than my P and L partner for doing the same days work, which is not a massive problem for me

Only full timers i.e. 39 hours will have their hours reduced in stages - "Flight path" to 35 hour week by 2022.

All part time will remain on current hours with an obvious increase in pay rate.

You can't be technically full time - But is the point your making that you both need to start & finish the same time? (I am not on delivery so excuse my ignorance)

Yeh essentially it is roger, my situation is that I am only contracted to work 4 days if I worked a 5th day (which i don't want) on the same hours I would be full time. (not sure if I've made that any clearer)
thanks for reply

Your total contract hours are 31.12 - so part-time - Even if your hours were spread over 5 days you would still be part.time.

[mickeymacca]

No, I meant if I worked a 5th day as overtime, I would get 7h 36 for it under the new arrangement (as a full time day will equate to) on top of my 31 hours 12 mins will mean I will earn a total of 38 hours 48 mins for a five day working week, when the guy on a regular full time contract is on 38 hours doing the same job and actually working (in real terms) the same hours as me as I am his P and L partner,
I'm boring myself now sorry......when we achieve a 35 hour working week I will be on 31.12mins for 4 days doing the same job as my P and L partner doing 5 days for 35! is this anomaly just restricted to my situation or does it affect others?