Small mail centre.

[Rommagic]

Is there any plans for the Royal mail too shut down some small mail centres? and move work for example too Gatwick.

[POSTMAN]

MC's seem to be hit quite a lot now,more info/threads in the MC forum.

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... hp?t=10740
Topic moved into there as well.

[Rommagic]

Well I know someone who works in the Dartford office,they say the building is not big enough for any new machines.There is a site at burham road they use for strikes and xmas work.That could be a smaller office just for walk staff.

[niallm]

Royal Mails plan is to close at least 60 of the mail centres over the course of the next very few years. I believe that there is also a well developed plan to have each of the mail centres competing against each other as independent self financing bodies. We will be set against each other to try to secure mail and jobs. Obviously the smaller offices will be thrown to the lions and the labour party will sell it as a saver to the taxpayer. How long does our leadership think it is right to pay the "red" tories. Billy Hayes still thinks its right even though he is rightly scared of the prospect of a tory government. Why is he not then involved in a major fight against his own party and the torys. Billy, It is time to step up to the mark and stop worrying about your 100k plus salary, same is true for Dave Ward(major disappointment, think the b***s fell of you). Who do you represent, the Labour Party, yourself or the members who elected you and pay your wages? If you live in an area that has them, Vote Respect

[Stormproof]

There was a rumour floating around that the MC our DO is in was to be closed down, but they seem to be spending a bit of money on it tarting it up. Railings being painted, moving offices around, new diesel tank to name but a few.

[DGP1]

There was a rumour floating around that the MC our DO is in was to be closed down, but they seem to be spending a bit of money on it tarting it up. Railings being painted, moving offices around, new diesel tank to name but a few.

Definitely closing then

[Tman]

="niallm"]Royal Mails plan is to close at least 60 of the mail centres over the course of the next very few years.

Don't think so.
There's only about 70 now, and some of them are closing imminently.

[bogstandard]

. I believe that there is also a well developed plan to have each of the mail centres competing against each other as independent self financing bodies. We will be set against each other to try to secure mail and jobs.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with this post.
The future i see is one where MC/ processing units will be duped, unwitingly or otherwise into reducing hours/jobs to retain existing work. This would be done by way of a bid from another MC which says it can do the work using fewer hours, thus giving those who feel their jobs are under threat some serious cause for concern.
These bids may be legitimate, they may have been produced by RM and the local CWU rep, they may have been produced solely by RM or they could be total fiction with the express intention of removing hours just by threatening to take the work away.
My solution would be to let them do it, not a popular view i can imagine but i think it would flush out the ghost bids,reduce the businesses ability to manouver and manipulate the work and the workforce, this in turn should give those of us who are CWU members a stronger bargaining position because of its reduced ability to move and manipulate and give those looking for VR the chance on possibly an annual basis.

[norbert]

. I believe that there is also a well developed plan to have each of the mail centres competing against each other as independent self financing bodies. We will be set against each other to try to secure mail and jobs.

I have to wholeheartedly agree with this post.
The future i see is one where MC/ processing units will be duped, unwittingly or otherwise into reducing hours/jobs to retain existing work. This would be done by way of a bid from another MC which says it can do the work using fewer hours, thus giving those who feel their jobs are under threat some serious cause for concern.
These bids may be legitimate, they may have been produced by RM and the local CWU rep, they may have been produced solely by RM or they could be total fiction with the express intention of removing hours just by threatening to take the work away.
My solution would be to let them do it, not a popular view i can imagine but i think it would flush out the ghost bids,reduce the businesses ability to manouver and manipulate the work and the workforce, this in turn should give those of us who are CWU members a stronger bargaining position because of its reduced ability to move and manipulate and give those looking for VR the chance on possibly an annual basis.

Exactly what RM want , play one up against the one down the motorway , RM knew exactly what they were doing with this local negotiation stuff . Seen all this with another service and union ,we were apparently stuck in the 50's /60's on the machinery of negotiation , but it resulted in things being simply imposed .


The CWU is too over-centralized and cut off , secondly it puts the good area reps in a very vulnerable position .

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I think that they are combining mail centres for one reason only. Its economy of scale and eventually they will sell these Mail Centres off to the highest bidder so that Royal Mail will have to pay people like TNT and DHL to sort, code and dispatch the mail for the DOs. I think this is also the main, though not sole, reason for introducing LSMs into DOs.

[BELIAL]

I think that they are combining mail centres for one reason only. Its economy of scale and eventually they will sell these Mail Centres off to the highest bidder so that Royal Mail will have to pay people like TNT and DHL to sort, code and dispatch the mail for the DOs. I think this is also the main, though not sole, reason for introducing LSMs into DOs.

It does look that way. Take a look at postcons proposed options,split the business sell parts off. MC's will be top of the list or near the top. So lets pump hundreds of millions of public money into new machinery and slimmed down superhubs,sell it for a song ,sit back and take the kickbacks,think of all those nice non exec board positions ,three days a year each with four hour lunches and £85k in the back pocket,Taa

[Tman]

I think that they are combining mail centres for one reason only. Its economy of scale and eventually they will sell these Mail Centres off to the highest bidder so that Royal Mail will have to pay people like TNT and DHL to sort, code and dispatch the mail for the DOs. I think this is also the main, though not sole, reason for introducing LSMs into DOs.

They aren't introducing LSMs into DOs, they're installing Walk Sequencing Machines, and there's a big difference.
The high level of automation in RM is the only thing "we" have over the rest, and RM are not going to lose that edge.
Far more likely (ie, pretty much guaranteed) is that DOs and the staff will work for Fred Bloggs Mail Delivery Services in a cold industrial unit miles from anywhere, while RM keep control of the lucrative mail proccessing side, because that's where the money is, and, as we all know, employing DO staff is neither profitable or hassle-free.

[BELIAL]

I think that they are combining mail centres for one reason only. Its economy of scale and eventually they will sell these Mail Centres off to the highest bidder so that Royal Mail will have to pay people like TNT and DHL to sort, code and dispatch the mail for the DOs. I think this is also the main, though not sole, reason for introducing LSMs into DOs.

They aren't introducing LSMs into DOs, they're installing Walk Sequencing Machines, and there's a big difference.
The high level of automation in RM is the only thing "we" have over the rest, and RM are not going to lose that edge.
Far more likely (ie, pretty much guaranteed) is that DOs and the staff will work for Fred Bloggs Mail Delivery Services in a cold industrial unit miles from anywhere, while RM keep control of the lucrative mail proccessing side, because that's where the money is, and, as we all know, employing DO staff is neither profitable or hassle-free.

Now you've obviously been thinking things over,care to take another look at what you've written and spot the problem (try looking at it from a business/money making standpoint)

[norbert]

I think that they are combining mail centres for one reason only. Its economy of scale and eventually they will sell these Mail Centres off to the highest bidder so that Royal Mail will have to pay people like TNT and DHL to sort, code and dispatch the mail for the DOs. I think this is also the main, though not sole, reason for introducing LSMs into DOs.

It does look that way. Take a look at postcons proposed options,split the business sell parts off. MC's will be top of the list or near the top. So lets pump hundreds of millions of public money into new machinery and slimmed down superhubs,sell it for a song ,sit back and take the kickbacks,think of all those nice non exec board positions ,three days a year each with four hour lunches and £85k in the back pocket,Taa

Correct , His Toniness is on the lecture circuit , he certainly isn't playing golf or watching cricket like the grey man , Patronizing Pat ; slow hand-clapped at a RCN conference , some of those women would have cheerfully throttled her , now with Boots , plans for NHS @ Boots .

Railways , East Coast Main Line ; all electrified , brand new trains that miraculously manage to stay on the track with the inevitable increase in accidents with all these profit greedy cowboy building firms doing maintenance , Norwich & Cambridge to London electrified , lucrative routes .

BR Board Directors made themselves multi millionaires selling off all those trains paid for out of tax payers money to be leased out bought , on the cheap for just the cost of £100K bank loans and resold onto .to the likes of HSBC , Richard Soutar of Stagecoach , nice little racket , they don't care about people having to stand and paying a fortune for tickets , Tax Payer pays 5 X the subsidy .

What it'll mean for Postmen is that Senior & Area Managers will be looking for buyouts and proving they are lean and mean , Postcon are a bunch of old Tory Freemarketers who've taken advantage of the swing to the right in Europe and Neo-Liberalisim .

[Tman]

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Now you've obviously been thinking things over,care to take another look at what you've written and spot the problem (try looking at it from a business/money making standpoint)

Presumably you're rather bizarrely alluding to RM selling the money-making MCs.
Yes, I'm sure RM will sell off the money-making parts and keep the then helpless and worthless DOs, but good job you cleverly spotted the obvious flaw in that scheme..........