RUMOURS AFFECTING MAIL CENTRES?

[Tman]

POMC processing voted against local industrial action last year so if they get shut down Ill be throwing a huge party

Another post sadly belying that the old "we stand united" ethos still applies..

Belial you can have a pop at me anytime but if you do so tell me how you know every mail centre is up to full capacity

He's a DO worker; his "bag is just as heavy as it always was", and he lives in a simplistic world. Simple.
{Although he was just having a sly dig, as you said "under capicity" when you meant "over capacity". I dunno, these posters who pick others up on typo's, eh? }

[hubbahubba]

the truth,you seem to be well up on info regarding MC closures,can you give a rough idea of EVR payments that may be offered to those MC staff willing to go?J,for one,have had about enough of this now,15 years of ever decreasing job satisfaction,starting to dread the beginning of the new week,that can't be good for anybody.....................

[BELIAL]

Just to be clear "the truth" , I'm not bothered at all by who you are ,I'm also not in the slightest bit interested in having a "pop" at you ,not much point in trivialising the issues by personalising the argument.
What I will criticise all day long is the view you put across and the mindset it represents. (to be fair you ain't the only "union stalwart" pushing this line , but you happen to be here now)
The thing that really bugs me about all these "get real posts" from our well informed union officials that are promoting this deal is the passive acceptance of management and government rules of engagement.
Every one of you fails to ask the relevant questions.
You say 'we need to cut jobs because of falling volumes' .
Well we've already cut over 50,000 jobs, and tell me if I'm wrong but I just can't remember a desperate recruiting drive to cope with the massive increase in volumes throughout the 90's and early 00's.
You say' we need to modernise and improve efficiency.'
In real terms that means that you want me to do more work for less money. Just how efficient and modern do you want me to be bearing in mind that most of our European rivals/counterparts charge 50 -30 % more than us for the same service.
You say 'MC outward volumes have dropped by up to 60% so the union would be lying if it said it could protect jobs'
Since improved throughput and organisational changes have zero impact on volume and RM claim a 10% reduction due to downturn then it is clear that the vast bulk of this 60% reduction can only be due to DSA. Some people claim it's good that DSA is there to keep them busy, but follow that line to its logical conclusion and every extra DSA item we sort and deliver will mean an ever bigger loss for RM and lower wages and smaller pensions for us.

The sad thing is that RM say exactly the same things as you say and if you accept their arguments as a starting point for discussions then we are shafted before talks even begin. The best that anyone could achieve in those circumstances is to simply slow down the race to the bottom. Now why would any self respecting union official be keen to sell a deal like that to the brothers?

[thehappyones]

Just to be clear "the truth" , I'm not bothered at all by who you are ,I'm also not in the slightest bit interested in having a "pop" at you ,not much point in trivialising the issues by personalising the argument.
What I will criticise all day long is the view you put across and the mindset it represents. (to be fair you ain't the only "union stalwart" pushing this line , but you happen to be here now)
The thing that really bugs me about all these "get real posts" from our well informed union officials that are promoting this deal is the passive acceptance of management and government rules of engagement.
Every one of you fails to ask the relevant questions.
You say 'we need to cut jobs because of falling volumes' .
Well we've already cut over 50,000 jobs, and tell me if I'm wrong but I just can't remember a desperate recruiting drive to cope with the massive increase in volumes throughout the 90's and early 00's.
You say' we need to modernise and improve efficiency.'
In real terms that means that you want me to do more work for less money. Just how efficient and modern do you want me to be bearing in mind that most of our European rivals/counterparts charge 50 -30 % more than us for the same service.
You say 'MC outward volumes have dropped by up to 60% so the union would be lying if it said it could protect jobs'
Since improved throughput and organisational changes have zero impact on volume and RM claim a 10% reduction due to downturn then it is clear that the vast bulk of this 60% reduction can only be due to DSA. Some people claim it's good that DSA is there to keep them busy, but follow that line to its logical conclusion and every extra DSA item we sort and deliver will mean an ever bigger loss for RM and lower wages and smaller pensions for us.

The sad thing is that RM say exactly the same things as you say and if you accept their arguments as a starting point for discussions then we are shafted before talks even begin. The best that anyone could achieve in those circumstances is to simply slow down the race to the bottom. Now why would any self respecting union official be keen to sell a deal like that to the brothers?

[SpacePhoenix]

How far away from this new road being built is PO MC?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hamp ... 553294.stm

[baldrick]

can you give a rough idea of EVR payments that may be offered to those MC staff willing to go?J,for one,have had about enough of this now,15 years of ever decreasing job satisfaction

We were sent the current MTSF VR terms last year, and VR payments for 15 year's service
vary from a minimum of 45 weeks pay at age 31 to 84.875 weeks at age 64 - it depends
on your age.*
You would only get EVR (pension and lump sum if payable) if you are over 60 (from 1 April)
or Termination by Mutual Agreement if between 55-60.

*Voluntary Severance Terms
Formula for calculating compensation
0.5 weeks assessable pay for each full year of service under the age of 22; plus
1.0 weeks assessable pay for each full year of service from age 22 to age 40; plus
1.5 weeks assessable pay for each full year of service over the age of 41.

Added together, the total from the above is then multiplied by 3.75 to give total No. of week's entitlement.

MtSF2a Ready Reckoner V2.0
PILON (Pay in lieu of notice) will NOT be offered.

[adb2aber]

How far away from this new road being built is PO MC?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/hamp ... 553294.stm

From a quick look at a map it's not close. 1km away from the location shown in the BBC photograph and the named roads. That's quite a detour for a new bit of road 140m long...