Intergrated Mail Processor Operators!

[postal_jedi]

no p.j my time is quite full thanks i do NOT make any free time from r.m perhaps in the minority ? the point is not to hate management but mearly to be very wary of greeks bearing gifts. Exploitation is going to be rife within r.m just wait many of these so called managers are simply not up to the task of seperating there social lives / friends from the work place thats why favouriteism is rife within r.m. not a question of being 'uncoperative' just a case of doing your job and no more got problems with that ? by doing that you cannot be asked to take on more work after all my time is my time r.m has no hold over me whatsoever in my time whilst in work i do my job that should suffice

I haven't suggested you work for RM in your own time, if you take the time to read what I post then you will realise I am opposed to that. Exploitation is rife in society full stop. Unfortunately, most staff in RM have only ever worked for RM and know nothing else. I would say the bulk of the exploitation of the workforce is way out of the hands of your line manager, who after all, is merely a supervisor. The fact still remains that if higher management decide to remove jobs they have a very easy target on the IMPs. In fact any section that decides they can just stand around in a midst of a lull. Please take on board 'Flashman's' reading recommendation. It will give you an invaluable insight into why and where all our industry has gone. I would say pretty much everyone on this forum, including myself, voted for IA. We also rejected the pay offer, but it hasn't worked, it never does. At the end of the day the capitalist gets what they want because someone is always prepared to accept their offer and undercut you. The working man's worst enemy is himself.

[oldrope]

health and safety says if an imp has the drum on it is 4 men, without the drum it is 3 men / women, RM would love to run an imp with 1 on the sorter, but H&S says noway...

[postal_jedi]

health and safety says if an imp has the drum on it is 4 men, without the drum it is 3 men / women, RM would love to run an imp with 1 on the sorter, but H&S says noway...

I don't see why having one person on the sorter of an IMP is a health and safety issue. Especially, when you have just the one person on the sorter of an LSM and I do believe it has the same number of boxes. I bring the issue down to boxes because, as I am led to believe, an IMPex only requires two operators, one of which is on the feeding part. The only difference between an IMP and an IMPex is, I believe, the number of boxes. I can't really check this as the IMPexs in my MC have been converted into IMPs. Alas, though I don't know if it is or isn't. It would be interesting on to find out on what grounds it is deemed a H&S issue. I think it sounds more to me like a national agreement as oppose to a H&S regualtion. I suppose though, I could add, the arguement that H&S dictates you don't use headphones on machinery or consume food or liquids on or near a machine, a rule I see regularly flouted.

[oldrope]

do you not think rm would have only 1 on the imp sorter if they could? agreement or not.. would you walk out if that happend to the imp men? i think not, specialy if they took thier coffees with them. So its got to be H&S, as to y i do not know but i will find out.

[L Tommo]

How could they when you are doing what was asked of you.

They can intimidate you and I am quite well aware they can manipulate things but at some point someone has to make a stand and say this is wrong.

Its up to you whether you make a stand or you can bury your head in the sand and hope that someone else comes along and does it for you.

This is your chance, L Tommo, to get up and get better for yourself and your workmates. Go for it, man, before you miss it. Oh, what's that? You miss most things!

Your a card PJ... Just look at your pic on your profile.... Do you think that is you with your RM lite saber??? Doing all the GOOD DEEDS For RM and all the world... Ridding the job of People who like to work with in the H&S criteria???? I think your posts are a poor effort at sarcasum and needs a point to them.....

I might miss somethings in this world but i dont miss the fact you are a screws lacky....

Run along sonny run along!!! :lfo :cfo

[padraig1965]

Spot on L Tommo well said as the norm.

[Tman]

I

don't see why having one person on the sorter of an IMP is a health and safety issue. Especially, when you have just the one person on the sorter of an LSM and I do believe it has the same number of boxe

Not always, some of the 160-box NPs have two or even three on the SBM part. (Apologies to Belial, but that's what these parts are called)

I bring the issue down to boxes because, as I am led to believe, an IMPex only requires two operators, one of which is on the feeding part. The only difference between an IMP and an IMPex is, I believe, the number of boxes.

IMPEXs were originally IMPs less the drum, and were for offices which had a CFC or two (sorry Bellend etc etc)

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I suppose though, I could add, the arguement that H&S dictates you don't use headphones on machinery or consume food or liquids on or near a machine, a rule I see regularly flouted. [

Yup, and the dirty sods leave all that litter and shite all over the machines too.
Again, what other industry would allow such lax working practices?

[the machman]

once again pj you me and also make me wanna like l thommo says,battery sorting would be the way forwards for yourself,stuck in a cubicle sorting away,no talking ,drinking,listening,laughing,joking,anything that helps our day go by that little bit faster.with the season of good will upon us pj,reflect on how you have been treated by royal mail,and then think on how you are berating the very ppl you stood on the cobbles with.give us a break,remember ,an imp operator is for life,not just for christmas. adeiu pj ,l thommo, he speak the truth

[Zorro]

I've just recently been transferred to a MC from a DO and I am amazed by the at the mechanisation side of the business.

I recently was put on a duty where I had to stand by an IMP machine and put all the letters it rejected the right way up. Thats all I done for 4 hours, rotate letters and put them on a Kanban. Not to digress, while I done this mundane chore,

This thread is so funny!

A noob from walks, transfers into a MC. Has no mech training, hasnt a clue about mdec, tags, codes or anything else and questions how people run the mech!!!

Brilliant! You couldnt make it up!!

[Tman]

A noob from walks, transfers into a MC. Has no mech training, hasnt a clue about mdec, tags, codes or anything else

No problem there. He should fit in just fine....

[oldrope]

hello Mr RM. it must doing your head in, lots of ppl standing talking, sitting on the opl/ops/, ect. the max you can sit on the ops is 10 mins, but you have staff sittin all shift, i will not sleep to night.

[postal_jedi]

Ahh, L Tommo, my good man. Back to what you do best, childish name calling. My posts are anything but an attempt at sarcasm. Firstly, where on earth have I suggested ridding the workforce of staff whom work to the H&S criteria? You obviously haven't bothered to read my posts as you would have seen H&S is what I’ve been banging on about. I don't see myself as some sort of hero. I am just a fellow RM employee who has posted something on a RM forum. I'm sorry to disappoint you L Tommo, but that is all in your imagination.
Instead of taking on the debate, you are too hot headed and full of irrational hatred for management to even try to comprehend the message I am putting forward. Just because you think you may not agree with what I am saying, doesn’t mean my posts are pointless. I think my posts are quite informed and well structured, you may not. You don't have to read or reply to them.
I don't understand the problem everyone is having with this post. Just what do you think you are all defending here? Your right to neglect your employment so you can talk, drink coffee and read papers?
I find the argument is, yet again, taken to the extreme in order to gain some sort of justification. I am not saying IMP staff should be battery hens, robots or cloned from me, the perfect Postal Worker! Seeing staff behave in the unprofessional manner I witnessed is clearly wrong and is ultimately going to have a detrimental effect on the workforce. It may not be instantly but will eventually. I will stipulate this now. There is no suggestion, on my behalf, that we should all be caged up and treat like battery hens. Again this is posters reading something that isn’t there.
Star dust, you fail to grasp my point, like so many on this thread. I am not annoyed, irritated or upset with staff eating, talking or doing whatever. I just think its wrong, just like I think smoking is wrong, but it doesn’t annoy, irritate or upset me. I am simply posting my viewpoint on the topic, nothing more. It seems to me the bulk of posters on this thread are getting 'their heads done in!' Especially Machman, your attempt at humour fails to disguise the scornful animosity that underlies your posts. I have had countless non-constructive replies to my posts which usually end in name calling or some form of abuse.
I suggest you all try to form your own opinions, instead of clinging on to the unproductive ranting of a person who doesn't take the time to listen to anyone else's opinion. If your argument is so strong you wouldn’t have to do this clinging.
I will also add at this point. A noob I may be, but uninformed I am not. I make sure I am informed before I comment. If I'm not I will state so. Tags and MDECs were something that was explained to me, along with a lot of other things, when I was first shown around the MC.

MDEC – Manual data entry centre, if I remember correctly.
Tag codes – Phosphor code printed on letter in order for it to be processed later by the machine.
Coffee – Roasted and ground beans of the coffee plant. Made into a beverage and f**k all to do with working an IMP machine.

I fail to see why the knowledge of any of these, should determine whether or not someone can comment on the behaviour that they have witnessed.

Incidentally, just to backtrack to a previous post, which mentioned IMP operators doing 'Hazard Box' checking? I spoke to a couple of operators the other night and asked about this, just in passing. They found the subject very amusing and mocked it. So perhaps this type of activity is only a local thing.

[BELIAL]

YAWN Do you bore your staff into subservience,like a dog with a bone Fido

[L Tommo]

After reading your post a few times..
(So i didnt miss anything) I come to the conclution that you love to preach and try push your point just a little to much... Now I do the same i admit ... But i do it in a rant sometimes and i also get heated.. Im passionate about causes and issues when i feel RM or RM workers.. CWU members are talking bollox... In my opinion...
Now as i said I read your post and in the points of IMP workers, Talking. eating. mucking about and such n such.... I agree.. ITS WRONG...

But what i and i think others on here.. (Please tell me if im wrong?) Are saying is....

"WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT OR THE BARE FACED CHEEK TO COMMENT,MOAN, GRASS OR ANY OF THE PAST MENTIONED POINTS????? YOUR NOT A SCREW/MANAGER."

You say your a postie?? Then mind your own business and do your job.... Going back to my original post in reply to yours.....

Its feck all to do with you or any body else apart from a screw.... Its the MANAGEMENTS problem not yours or mine or ANY other workers problem .... UNLESS... Its a H&S issue....

I feel your Very pompous in your posts and attitude... .. oH I AINT YOUR GOOD MAN... Ok SONNY.....


OUT

[Flashman]

Incidentally, just to backtrack to a previous post, which mentioned IMP operators doing 'Hazard Box' checking? I spoke to a couple of operators the other night and asked about this, just in passing. They found the subject very amusing and mocked it. So perhaps this type of activity is only a local thing.

With regards to hazard box checks, as it is the Xmas pressure and as happens on all Xmas pressures the Imp operator is not expected to carry out hazard box checks.