World class mail coming soon, Dingo advice please

[fishtank]

Others counter that units reps may lose sight of their real role and get hooked into moving the pillars forward.

Stick me in that camp.
Reps need the time and focus to do what it says on the tin....represent.

I think if you ask most unit reps they would tell you they already have enough on their plates with this agreement and if you asked members,most of them would feel deeply uncomfortable having their rep so closely involved in what is a management driven project/pile of nonsense.
To be honest...no other opinions are of any consequence/relevance.

[parky]

Others counter that units reps may lose sight of their real role and get hooked into moving the pillars forward.

Stick me in that camp.
Reps need the time and focus to do what it says on the tin....represent.

I think if you ask most unit reps they would tell you they already have enough on their plates with this agreement and if you asked members,most of them would feel deeply uncomfortable having their rep so closely involved in what is a management driven project/pile of nonsense.
To be honest...no other opinions are of any consequence/relevance.

nobody on this site has anything good to say about wcm so why did the union sign up to it on our behalf? in fact before the agreement the union was against it but now we are working on a poilcy... all i know is it is a way of cutting jobs so how can a rep head a pillar and hope to serve his members needs? if the answer again is rm are paying money to bring this in like the machines then what is the point in our subs as we just seem to be letting them bring in what they want without any real opposition...

[hubbahubba]

Others counter that units reps may lose sight of their real role and get hooked into moving the pillars forward.

Stick me in that camp.
Reps need the time and focus to do what it says on the tin....represent.

I think if you ask most unit reps they would tell you they already have enough on their plates with this agreement and if you asked members,most of them would feel deeply uncomfortable having their rep so closely involved in what is a management driven project/pile of nonsense.
To be honest...no other opinions are of any consequence/relevance.

nobody on this site has anything good to say about wcm so why did the union sign up to it on our behalf? in fact before the agreement the union was against it but now we are working on a poilcy... all i know is it is a way of cutting jobs so how can a rep head a pillar and hope to serve his members needs? if the answer again is rm are paying money to bring this in like the machines then what is the point in our subs as we just seem to be letting them bring in what they want without any real opposition...

I'd guess the union's response would be"it's better to be in the loop,than to be left out",but that doesn't really wash with me.The CWU may be in some sort of "working group" with RM,but they are nothing more than a silent partner,with no real credible input into any decisions these days,and RM will no doubt say something along the lines of,"we'll take that on board,blah blah blah",and push on regardless,in much the same way as the MC closure program trundles on....

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I'd guess the union's response would be"it's better to be in the loop,than to be left out",but that doesn't really wash with me.The CWU may be in some sort of "working group" with RM,but they are nothing more than a silent partner,with no real credible input into any decisions these day,and RM will no doubt say something along the lines of,"we'll take that on board,blah blah blah",and push on regardless,in much the same way as the MC closure program trundles on....

I am with you on that hubbahubba the CWU wants to be in the loop far too often, problem from my viewpoint is that being in the loop may be good for the CWU as they gain some kind of recognition from it. But if the loop is strangling the members then they should be out of the loop. I have said since 2010 came out that the agreement was good from an organisational viewpoint for the CWU, but the members lost from it. I am still of that viewpoint and it saddens me that the focus at the moment seems to be survival or inclusion rather than the members interests. I hope the focus changes soon.

[hubbahubba]

s'funny,this thread is addressed to Dingo,yet he hasn't anything to say on it,yet comments on threads AFTER this in the MC forum?Must have a blind spot......

[pink panther]

WCM is the biggest waste of money that I've ever seen.

[blue1873]

WCM is the biggest waste of money that I've ever seen.

I'll second that

[hubbahubba]

WCM is the biggest waste of money that I've ever seen.

I'll second that

stop whinging,and pick that elastic band up!

[fishtank]

WCM is the biggest waste of money that I've ever seen.

I'll second that

stop whinging,and pick that elastic band up!

No..you can't do that!
First you must form a working group to discuss various more efficient ways of picking up the elastic band,then you should make some posters to display around the office showing this new efficient method...only then can you consider picking up the elastic band.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

WCM is the biggest waste of money that I've ever seen.

I'll second that

stop whinging,and pick that elastic band up!

No..you can't do that!
First you must form a working group to discuss various more efficient ways of picking up the elastic band,then you should make some posters to display around the office showing this new efficient method...only then can you consider picking up the elastic band.

Schoolboy error - you forgot to tape off the area

[POSTMAN]

Dingo has said the below,i think he's accidently posted it in the wrong thread...

I will comment further in due course however if anyone believes that royal mail accept that they are wasting money on this project then they need to go to one of the mail centres which have achieved the bronze award and listen to the pillar leads and they include front life staff.

I have spent the last 8 hours doing just that and they believe they have saved not hundreds not thousands but over a million. The way they anaylise every detail of every part of an operation and then video it and then study it again in order to ensure that the operation is quicker faster and cheaper Is worrying.

This is not a joke or a fad and all of us including the CWU need to wise up quickly
More to follow.

[fishtank]

they believe they have saved not hundreds not thousands but over a million.

Good for them....i don't.
The're not real savings dingo...it's paper savings.
In a D.O. paper savings aren't worth the paper they are written on.
Our revision produced loads of paper savings and almost bankrupted the company.

quicker faster and cheaper

Where do we sign up?
but you are right the CWU needs to wise up quickly and stop buying into this crap.

[Martin Walsh]

Fishtank I think your find they make real savings. In terms of Gatwick they have managed to remove one imp by get the other imps to work faster and adapting it to suit their needs. The imp then gets put into another mail centre saving them buying another one and then the best praticse is then rolled out to other world class sites.

In addition they review all the accidents and find the root cause and then find solutions they have reduced the number of accidents by 3/4 therefore saving them money on time off , and compehsation from legal and medical claims.

They also anaylised how far people were trunking the DSA yorks to be tipped and then processed , they believed 30 percent of time was trunking to the tipping tables and therefore moved the DSA holding unit right next to the tipping table and therefore removing all that trunking time and the net result two duties lost.

Other examples are where the imps tear letters video the machines to find the faults and then adept the machines and then save the compensation they have to pay for the tearing of letters , plus they save on breakdowns as the machines processes more and they save on engineering costs.

There are countless other costs they believe they are saving.

So I would suggust that they do believe they are making real savings. Now I agree will they make the savings in a delivery unit especially as most accidents are on delivery and when an indivdual on their own. The two trial offices for deliveries are Taunton and Burguss Hill. No other delivery office can have world class mail until their mail centre gets 20 points in an audit. So I would agree the jury is still out on WCM in delivery units but in mail centres it is something we need to recognise as something which Royal Mail believe will ensure they save money in the future.

[hubbahubba]

Dingo,in your reply you say that Gatwick has taken an IMP out,and also that 2 jobs have gone on the DSA area.I can see how these saving are to RM's advantage,but why would a union,which is run on members subs be actively involved in cutting its OWN members jobs? I can see how anything to improve our safety is a step worth taking,but helping to cull our fellow workers surely goes against everything a union is meant to stand for?

[parky]

Letter to Branches


No. 638/2010 Date: 22nd July 2010



TO: ALL BRANCHES WITH POSTAL MEMBERS


Dear Colleague

World Class Mail

Further to LTB 570/10 the following Divisional Reps have been nominated as ‘WCM Leads’ for their respective Divisions/Regions:


Operational


Midlands: ........................................... Paul Kennedy
North East ......................................... Stephen Halliwell
N.West/North Wales .............................. Ian Taylor
Scotland/NI ......................................... Norrie Watson
South Central........................................ Geoff Loftus
South East ........................................... Pete Sinnott
S.West/S.Wales..................................... Les Evans
Anglia................................................. Dennis King
London................................................ Martin Walsh.



Engineering:

East.................................................. Neal Farrow
....................................................... John Humphries

West ................................................. Martin Knight
........................................................ Tim Hall

North................................................. Roger Pheasey
....................................................... K McKendrick.




It is important that where there is an issue of concern in relation to WCM the appropriate Representative or Branch make contact with their respective ‘lead’ for assistance or guidance. It will be the responsibility of the ‘lead’ Representative to update CWU HQ with developments or concerns which need attention at national level.




It is essential that we actively engage with the WCM initiative in line with the national agreement and ensure that it is developed to the benefit of CWU members as well as the company. The appropriate paragraph of the agreement in relation to ‘Local Level’ is reproduced below:

Local Level

As part of their regular meeting schedule, local managers and local CWU representatives will review progress of World Class Mail in each unit in which it has been implemented. The local CWU representative will also have access to World Class Mail leads and will support local employees in identifying and developing examples of good practice, consistent with national agreements and business policies. The intention is for World Class Mail to develop in an open and constructive environment and CWU area representatives will also be encouraged to monitor and support progress on a regular basis.

Any issues affecting national agreements and employee terms and conditions will be the subject of normal negotiation procedures in accordance with the Business Transformation 2010 and Beyond Agreement.

Yours sincerely



Dave Ward
Deputy General Secretary (P)

Dingo the people mentioned above have had since July last year to come up with a policy of how the union is going to deal with wcm and now youve spent 8 hours in a mc your telling us they are making massive savings and cutting jobs!! well the people on this site have been saying that for nearly 2 years, what have these people bin doing all this time besides cosying up to managers and securing there own cushy numbers, maybe not all but peoplle from my office no exactly who i mean...
these people on full time release need to get off there arses and start earning the managers salaries they are being paid.. i cant belive that wcm has been coming in for this long and and they have spent 8 hours in a mc???