All outward mech-single pass

[Tman]

Of course one outward pass also allows Royal Mail to further rationliase mail centres as it substiuanlly reduces work tasks within the mail centre

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Not really, as the processing time will then be taken up at the I/W mail centre. Unless the amount of mechanisation is substantially increased in that mail centre, the time taken to process mail down to walk sort/walk sequence level is the same as before.

[hubbahubba]

Your place has enough space to install these CSSs though, but many (if not most) of the current MCs don't have enough, and that's just one of the reasoning behind installing them in DOs nationwide.
That, and the Dutch model, where those tabard-wearing school mums happily process mail in little out-lying processing centres......Tman

Surely thats flawed logic?MC's may not have much spare room,but to run an IMP or LSM you need a lot of space for the storage of the mail coming off them(letter rack,yorks,boxeholding frames etc),whereas a CSS has very little extra equipment needed to run it(just a york of boxes and a empty yourk for the mail).We are losing 3LSMs to make room for the extra 6CSS,which would happen in a lot of MC's i would imagine,older sorting machinery being replaced by CSS machines?Also,if MC's have limited space,i would of thought most DO's have even less space space!,i know a few of the more rural ones are little more than sheds!

[Tman]

Surely thats flawed logic?MC's may not have much spare room,but to run an IMP or LSM you need a lot of space for the storage of the mail coming off them(letter rack,yorks,boxeholding frames etc),whereas a CSS has very little extra equipment needed to run it(just a york of boxes and a empty yourk for the

Maybe, but your MC has enough LSMs to lose three, whereas your nearest and dearest (PO) for example only have three to start off with, and that's a comon number nationwide. There isn't the numbers (or space) to play with.
Some LSMs are going to be moved around the country to accomodate iLSMs coming in, but if an MC ends up with "just" CSSs then you know it's being downgraded to little more than a DO. For an MC to be "effective" it needs the big boy's toys of IMPs (crap though they are) NPs MTTs or the new iLSMs.

Also,if MC's have limited space,i would of thought most DO's have even less space space!,i know a few of the more rural ones are little more than sheds!

That's right, but most DOs aren't getting them. Newport IoW should be an interesting scenario, maintenance-wise....

[hubbahubba]

Tha :hmmmmt's right, but most DOs aren't getting them. Newport IoW should be an interesting scenario, maintenance-wise....
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whats the betting they will give the CSS operators in rural/remote DO's a crash course in engineering(TPM plus!)so they can do basic repairs themselves,although i can't see PROC ENG/union being too pleased about it....?

[Tman]

whats the betting they will give the CSS operators in rural/remote DO's a crash course in engineering(TPM plus!)so they can do basic repairs themselves,

The CWU wouldn't allow TPM operators to have or use tools way back when TPM was hot news, and in this age of litigation and H&S when training is a legal necessity, the chances of that happening are remote to say the least.

although i can't see PROC ENG/union being too pleased about it....?

Same union, but it's all work and that's good news. I mean, have you ever seen the damage the average DiYer can inflict on everyday things when armed with a screwdriver...

[teesdale]

Im not an expert on sequencing machines but Im saying that the number of missorts presented to a delivery postman would probably decrease. There would still be some as the machines royal mail has bought are usually crap. It took eight years for the management to realise that theyd better do something about the fact that the machines couldnt tell a first class stamp from a second class one very well. There would still be missorts due to envelopes stuck together, mdec or automatic address read/AI mistakes (forgot what AI stands for but is also crap), shiny envelopes slipping together between machine belts, the wrong address being read with the computer reading return address or other town names anywhere on the letter. Looked over someones shoulder working on a sequencing machine the other day and saw that it sifts out known missorts pretty well. The display actually said that there was a missort rate of 10% for that run which was very high. I asked what would happen to these letters and was told that they would go back through an Imp. Mind you once theyve got that barcode on I think theyd just come back to the same sequencing machine the next day. Once theyve sussed out what their doing I expect all of these missorts at this point will be sent for manual sorting in the mail centre. At one time I think many of these missorts would have made it to the delivery office in a walk sorted bundle or box. Now with this extra layer of machinery there will be less missorts than before, but some will still be there.

[Tman]

It took eight years for the management to realise that theyd better do something about the fact that the machines couldnt tell a first class stamp from a second class one very well.

Sounds interesting. Where did that little nugget come from? Incidentally, why do you think AI is "crap"?

[hubbahubba]

It took eight years for the management to realise that theyd better do something about the fact that the machines couldnt tell a first class stamp from a second class one very well.

Sounds interesting. Where did that little nugget come from? Incidentally, why do you think AI is "crap"?

AI =address interpreation,which TBH isnt that bad(as long as the reader on the IMP doesnt crash,which it does quite often!).As for the stamp value issue,i can assure you that the IMP still has BIG problems with 1st and 2nd stamps esp Meter Frank marks,mainly because the indicia readers of the IMPS are used which are well past their sell-by date.The funny thing is that the new ACR cameras fitted during the upgrades are top quaility,but the software for them to do the job of an indicia reader wasnt fitted with the upgrades!! only at RM eh?

[Tman]

AI =address interpreation,which TBH isnt that bad(as long as the reader on the IMP doesnt crash,which it does quite often!).

Yep, that's the all-singing all-dancing ever-crashing IMPS.....

As for the stamp value issue,i can assure you that the IMP still has BIG problems with 1st and 2nd stamps esp Meter Frank marks,mainly because the indicia readers of the IMPS are used which are well past their sell-by date

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IMPs again. CFC operators usually call if they find more than ten 1st class in the 2nd class stacks per shift.