MDEC "Have Your Say"

[jonn]

Yes, let's all give up and hope that Pam just goes away!

The problem I find with Stoke MDEC is that there is a vocal minority who have something to say but most just come in and accept the sh*t that's thrown at them. If more people stood up and were counted then maybe we could get rid of them.

I'm not a union member myself but I would suggest to you Chainsawkiller, as our union rep, that maybe you try exerting some leadership and influence and get people to write what you want them to, and make sure they post HYS themselves outside the building to stop management filtering what goes off. The worse the results, the more likely someone will take note. I personally believe that yet again a handful will tell the truth and the majority will display their usual apathy and the end results will make Pam & Martin look like they're OK in charge.

As for the leaflet, what else could it be but Pam running scared? Ask the night staff about their ex-manager Teresa Barlow crawling to them one night early in the shift repeating the same as the leaflet. Ask if that's not fear, why else would they do it?

I wasnt going to post about this again. but I saw your stupid post and thought I'd respond. Back off laying into chainsawkiller, seriously you mention leadership etc why arent you a union member? I think it's pathetic. leave the poor guy alone. do you even know the first thing about HYS? each workplace gets posted so many HYS forms when it's time for them to get sent back all the forms minus the spoiled get sent back. I think your one very paranoid person to think that all management has to do is filter HYS forms. I'm sure you have an axe to grind against management. anyway there are more important things going on at the moment what with the industrial action. You must have noticed as you either drove or walked past the small picket line.

[jood]

We are supposed to vote on Saturday regarding the forthcoming shifts but unhappy because have no idea what we are supposed to be voting for and also all staff should have the opportunity to chose too and not just union members.
Management have decided and made it look as if its the staffs decision as usual no communication from both sides .
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o other ndec staff feel the same way?
From Jood

[jood]

We are supposed to vote on Saturday regarding the forthcoming shifts but unhappy because have no idea what we are supposed to be voting for and also all staff should have the opportunity to chose too and not just union members.
Management have decided and made it look as if its the staffs decision as usual no communication from both sides .


Do other mdec staff feel the same way?
From Jood

[evilc]

We are supposed to vote on Saturday regarding the forthcoming shifts but unhappy because have no idea what we are supposed to be voting for and also all staff should have the opportunity to chose too and not just union members.
Management have decided and made it look as if its the staffs decision as usual no communication from both sides .


Do other mdec staff feel the same way?
From Jood

The vote is quite simple, you either vote for a shift re-pick or a mdec re-pick, as for non-union members if they wish to vote the answer is also simple join the CWU.I have been involved with the duty revision and I can say that at no time have Royal Mail decided forthcoming duties on their own.

When all the final points are finalised such as implentaion date, how the repick will be organised etc then the duties will be displayed in the corridor.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

The CWU are the recognised staff representation body within all Royal Mail units and this is the main reason I as a Postie (not an MDeCer) would recommend to anyone in whatever role or unit, that they join the CWU.

If you do not wish to join the CWU for Political, or any other reasons then there is nothing to stop you making your views known to Royal Mail as a whole by emailing AL or AC or by writing to your local Management team, I am sure they would be interested to hear different views.

However, to be pragmatic if you don't want to go down that route then the only way your opinions will be heard is by joining the union and becoming an active member by attending meetings and talking with your reps.

There is a third option you could start your own staff association, get a reasonable amount of employees nationwide to join, and then attempt to get Royal Mail to recognise it as a separate body from the CWU. Although I would not recommend this as it would mean a lot of unpaid and voluntary work outside working hours and if successful would complicate any discussions about pay and conditions in the future, and would weaken the position of employees in general.

[evilc]

The CWU are the recognised staff representation body within all Royal Mail units and this is the main reason I as a Postie (not an MDeCer) would recommend to anyone in whatever role or unit, that they join the CWU.

If you do not wish to join the CWU for Political, or any other reasons then there is nothing to stop you making your views known to Royal Mail as a whole by emailing AL or AC or by writing to your local Management team, I am sure they would be interested to hear different views.

However, to be pragmatic if you don't want to go down that route then the only way your opinions will be heard is by joining the union and becoming an active member by attending meetings and talking with your reps.

There is a third option you could start your own staff association, get a reasonable amount of employees nationwide to join, and then attempt to get Royal Mail to recognise it as a separate body from the CWU. Although I would not recommend this as it would mean a lot of unpaid and voluntary work outside working hours and if successful would complicate any discussions about pay and conditions in the future, and would weaken the position of employees in general.

Thanks for your comments TBT, unfortunately there are a lot of selfish employees who want it all their way.

[Vim_Fuego]

there are a lot of selfish employees who want it all their way.

Sums up the average MDEC employee in a nutshell!

Sadly, as far as unionising the MDEC is concerned, I think the CWU has an uphill struggle on its hands. The open and very vocal anti-union bias of the management has been drip-fed into the workforce with such effectiveness, that, alarmingly, probably the majority of MDEC keyers (in Plymouth at least) are suspicious of the Union and even regard it as their "enemy". Hence, the management gets to ride roughshod over all of them.

That's some propaganda coup. 1-0 to the MDEC management.

Those American union-busters would be proud.

[BELIAL]

Time to step up your protest then. Have you seen postconns latest musings on RM structure and operations ,basically ,bye bye MDEC's you're on your own, good luck

[jood]

agree hys is a complete waste of time and effort just a tool for managment to do exactly as they please and ignore the staff completely.

[DGP1]

Always fill in your HYS because it goes down on paper that there is a problem and eventually they will try to fix it, otherwise they will assume everything's OK and do nothing about the problems.

[BELIAL]

Always fill in your HYS because it goes down on paper that there is a problem and eventually they will try to fix it, otherwise they will assume everything's OK and do nothing about the problems.

Must disagree on that point. Never fill in your HYS cos you will just be playing the game by their rules: any finding will be spun to management advantage. Complete disaffection and utter silence is difficult to massage.

[DGP1]

Always fill in your HYS because it goes down on paper that there is a problem and eventually they will try to fix it, otherwise they will assume everything's OK and do nothing about the problems.

Must disagree on that point. Never fill in your HYS cos you will just be playing the game by their rules: any finding will be spun to management advantage. Complete disaffection and utter silence is difficult to massage.

We now get ours every 6 months and everyone get worse and it's hard to see how they can continue to ignore them. Although I really believe they'll just close the DO and relocate us to the MC to try to hide the results.