Future Plans

[Jessika]

in 5 years (or sooner) i would like to see

fare pay
adequate training to do the job (knowledge of where we are sending stuff for a start)
managers who share information with us
a fare attendence procedure (where you dont get a stage one for 14 days off even if you've not had a single day in the 2 years previous to that)
less bullying from both managers and collegues


i suspect management see
a workforce which they have beat into submissiion so well that the union no longer exsists in the mdec and a bunch of keyers who will perform like robots. oh and probably no weekend shift or night shift left

[lovejoy]

in 5 years (or sooner) i would like to see

fare pay
adequate training to do the job (knowledge of where we are sending stuff for a start)
managers who share information with us
a fare attendence procedure (where you dont get a stage one for 14 days off even if you've not had a single day in the 2 years previous to that)
less bullying from both managers and collegues

a we can all dream - thats how it was 10+ years ago

[La]

I'd like a better sick policy. The current one is crazy bananas. Particularly if you need an operation. I don't think anyone who needs an operation should be punished at work for it by it counting towards their sick record. If you need an operation you need an operation, you should get sympathy not a stage warning ;)
I'd like all keyers to take part in marking TRUI as well as I think marking it improves your keying skills and it should be used as a coaching aid, so everyone understands the rules better.
And I'd like more pink cakes.

xXx

[lovejoy]

I'd like a better sick policy. The current one is crazy bananas. Particularly if you need an operation. I don't think anyone who needs an operation should be punished at work for it by it counting towards their sick record. If you need an operation you need an operation, you should get sympathy not a stage warning ;)
I'd like all keyers to take part in marking TRUI as well as I think marking it improves your keying skills and it should be used as a coaching aid, so everyone understands the rules better.
And I'd like more pink cakes.

xXx

You'd like all these things but judging by your previous posts you are not prepared to do anything about it.

The pay at MDEC is not good but if wasn't for the CWU it would be a whole lot worse - FACT

I was going to post a large blow by blow answer to your other post but I have decided to save my energy to speak to people who have the guts to stand up for themselves rather than pathetically scrape around for excuses for going to work during a strike.

There will never be an excuse for this. I bet when an agreement is eventually made and we get more than 2.5% you won't be giving back the difference will you?

You should also remember that the offer is only 2.5 because of the union. RM wanted us to have no pay rise.

If your going to work then just do it. Please don't try to justify your actions to working class people who are losing a lot of money to fight for the likes of you

[DGP1]

Just for you La

[La]

I never said I didn't suport the work the union has done, just that I don't support the strike. And I don't feel the need to insult you either.
Please feel free to answer my every point with your own opinion, I don't shy away from my views and obviously neither do you, nor am I ashamed of them. I am perfectly prepared to hear (well, read) criticism.

I think the pay at MDEC is good. I don't know what has happened in the past (I am honest enough to admit that I do not know the ins and outs of the relationship with CWU and MDEC) but if you say that the CWU worked towards the current pay then I have no reason not to believe you. I am happy and grateful with the pay as it is, I'd like more but that's because I'm only human, as I said in another post. It is excellent that the CWU managed to arrange a pay deal with RM. But they didn't stick with it, so it's a pointless pay deal. Obviously the company are always going to try to not pay anything and the union will ask for more than is reasonable. I support the union in making these deals, it is the strike that folloed that I don't support.

I've never said that RM or MDEC is perfect - am I not allowed to have a negative opinon about some aspects but a postive one about others? It seems to me that the difference between you and me is that I, at least, am happy with some things. Having read many threads both MDEC and non-MDEC related on here the one thing that shocks and saddens me the most is the complete lack of positivity about our jobs and vicious hatred of people that have not supported the strike. Whilst RM is not a perfect company I think we should all remember that we do at least have jobs and we don't have to sacrifice our human rights just to put food in our mouths. Honestly some of the comments on this board make you think that we all work for drug lord pimps who are selling our children or something.

In one sentance you accuse me of not standing up for myself - this is a confusing statement considering that that is precisely what I am doing by writing my own opinion. A few sentances down you basically tell me not to give my opinion, saying I 'shouldn't try to justify myself'. Which is it??

La
xXx


eta This post was directed at Lovejoy

[lovejoy]

I never said I didn't suport the work the union has done, just that I don't support the strike. And I don't feel the need to insult you either.
Please feel free to answer my every point with your own opinion, I don't shy away from my views and obviously neither do you, nor am I ashamed of them. I am perfectly prepared to hear (well, read) criticism.

I think the pay at MDEC is good. I don't know what has happened in the past (I am honest enough to admit that I do not know the ins and outs of the relationship with CWU and MDEC) but if you say that the CWU worked towards the current pay then I have no reason not to believe you. I am happy and grateful with the pay as it is, I'd like more but that's because I'm only human, as I said in another post. It is excellent that the CWU managed to arrange a pay deal with RM. But they didn't stick with it, so it's a pointless pay deal. Obviously the company are always going to try to not pay anything and the union will ask for more than is reasonable. I support the union in making these deals, it is the strike that folloed that I don't support.

I've never said that RM or MDEC is perfect - am I not allowed to have a negative opinon about some aspects but a postive one about others? It seems to me that the difference between you and me is that I, at least, am happy with some things. Having read many threads both MDEC and non-MDEC related on here the one thing that shocks and saddens me the most is the complete lack of positivity about our jobs and vicious hatred of people that have not supported the strike. Whilst RM is not a perfect company I think we should all remember that we do at least have jobs and we don't have to sacrifice our human rights just to put food in our mouths. Honestly some of the comments on this board make you think that we all work for drug lord pimps who are selling our children or something.

In one sentance you accuse me of not standing up for myself - this is a confusing statement considering that that is precisely what I am doing by writing my own opinion. A few sentances down you basically tell me not to give my opinion, saying I 'shouldn't try to justify myself'. Which is it??

La
xXx

Ha so giving your opinion equals standing up for yourself does it.

You shouldn't try to justify scabbing ...... because you can't

eta This post was directed at Lovejoy

[La]

Explaining myself equates to standing up for myself in my books yes. At least in this scenario. So do you work at Plymouth MDEC then or somewhere else?
It is simply one opinion that crossing a picket line that you don't believe in makes a person a scab, but it doesn't make it true. Therefore I will continue to read and reply whenever I choose to. I'm sorry that this seems to offend you, but it is your decision to take offence, so I will continue.


And I still won't insult anyone in the process.

I think the La La picture lacked realism. It needed more blood. ;)

xXx

[Mailbag]

Besides this pay disbute which effects us all, I hear that the higher management want to change our pensions, something about making us pay more but ending up with less, is this just a rumour or more to it?

[BELIAL]

Explaining myself equates to standing up for myself in my books yes. At least in this scenario. So do you work at Plymouth MDEC then or somewhere else?
It is simply one opinion that crossing a picket line that you don't believe in makes a person a scab, but it doesn't make it true. Therefore I will continue to read and reply whenever I choose to. I'm sorry that this seems to offend you, but it is your decision to take offence, so I will continue.


And I still won't insult anyone in the process.

I think the La La picture lacked realism. It needed more blood. ;)

xXx

Sorry La , crossing a picket line makes you a scab ,for now and for ever more. It's what you do, it's what you are.All we'll do is remind you of your actions, how you live with that is your problem.
Your workmates took a vote to defend their livelihoods and you shat on them because you are special. Well you,ll be special for the rest of your life,hope you never need help or understanding,cos everyone else might be special then.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

From Websters on line dictionasry.

Main Entry: 1 scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE

1 : scabies of domestic animals

2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound

3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

I have always wondered why the term scab is seen as an insult when in actually fact it is a term just like Woman, Man, Table, Chair. It must at least be partly down to past Governments propaganda against strikes, and also sights on TV News of masses of strikers shouting "scab" at strike breakers during the Miners strikes . But I suppose because I agree with striking and I am being called a dinosaur from the 70s (by the press) I can't take that as an insult.

[DGP1]

From Websters on line dictionasry.

Main Entry: 1 scab
Pronunciation: 'skab
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English, of Scandinavian origin; akin to Old Swedish skabbr scab; akin to Old English sceabb scab, Latin scabere to scratch -- more at SHAVE

1 : scabies of domestic animals

2 : a crust of hardened blood and serum over a wound

3 a : a contemptible person b (1) : a worker who refuses to join a labor union (2) : a union member who refuses to strike or returns to work before a strike has ended (3) : a worker who accepts employment or replaces a union worker during a strike (4) : one who works for less than union wages or on nonunion terms

4 : any of various bacterial or fungus diseases of plants characterized by crustaceous spots; also : one of the spots

I have always wondered why the term scab is seen as an insult when in actually fact it is a term just like Woman, Man, Table, Chair. It must at least be partly down to past Governments propaganda against strikes, and also sights on TV News of masses of strikers shouting "scab" at strike breakers during the Miners strikes . But I suppose because I agree with striking and I am being called a dinosaur from the 70s (by the press) I can't take that as an insult.

Teebs now we all know what you look like (a 6 ft lizard with a red bag on his back )

[frankie]

[de-coded]

To be honest I can see management forcing through the removal of weekend shift, they have already asked for volunteers to move. To my knowledge no one offered, what does the future hold for the 80 or so on weekend, simple really these people will be moved to Mon-Fri or Tue-Sat (executive action) or simply made redundant or sacked (cheaper for RM to go to tribunal).

But then those who non-members of the CWU will more than likley complain that there was not enough support from the CWU and blame them. Some people are so shortsighted they don't want to get involved in current disputes, what goes around comes around.

For those that are left, the future, no good pay as there are not enough people willing to stand up to RM, as all want something for nothing, I can't see how Plymouth Mdec with its big, old expensive building can compete with the like's of Stockport or Stoke, cheap building's, I agree Plymouth is the faster and more efficient, but if you can run a centre for £250,000 a year why would you keep open one that cost's possibly 4 times that.

[evilc]

To be honest I can see management forcing through the removal of weekend shift, they have already asked for volunteers to move. To my knowledge no one offered, what does the future hold for the 80 or so on weekend, simple really these people will be moved to Mon-Fri or Tue-Sat (executive action) or simply made redundant or sacked (cheaper for RM to go to tribunal).

But then those who non-members of the CWU will more than likley complain that there was not enough support from the CWU and blame them. Some people are so shortsighted they don't want to get involved in current disputes, what goes around comes around.

For those that are left, the future, no good pay as there are not enough people willing to stand up to RM, as all want something for nothing, I can't see how Plymouth Mdec with its big, old expensive building can compete with the like's of Stockport or Stoke, cheap building's, I agree Plymouth is the faster and more efficient, but if you can run a centre for £250,000 a year why would you keep open one that cost's possibly 4 times that.

Mdec101

If you know of ne1 who might volunteer to move do your best to persuade to stay until forced at least then they will retain allowances for 3 yrs under mtsf agreement, as for non-members it is a shame they do not have to negotiate for themselves, but hang on they are covered under cwu deals another case of benefiting without putting anything in.