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The posties who make 600 Quid in Christmas tips

20 Dec 2018, 12:28

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46620012

To some, slipping a note or two into the hands of the postie or the refuse collector at Christmas time is second nature.
But others have never heard of it.
The tradition of the "Christmas box" sees people give cash or small gifts to those who perform personal services in their lives - be it the person delivering the milk or post, cleaners or hairdressers.
And some can take home a decent haul.
Modern manners specialists Debrett's suggest giving a £5 tip to those delivering goods to your door, along with those taking rubbish away.
But in the days where people rarely see their refuse collector, don't know their postie and carry less cash, is the tradition dying out?
Jason King and his dad Neil have worked as postal workers for more than 14 years.
Last year Jason says he made £350 from tips, which he puts down to knowing his customers, and never leaving a package undelivered.
But more experienced dad Neil brought home a haul of £600, plus around 50 bottles of wine and a huge stash of chocolates.
Neil has a special technique to help his customers embrace the season of goodwill: he delivers post dressed up as Santa.

In the run up to Christmas, he and his colleague, who dresses as an elf, embark on festive deliveries around their patch in a Cambridgeshire village.
"The kids love it, the mums and dads spend a bit of a time saying hello," Jason says.
Jason said he's only gone as far as sporting a Christmas jumper, but is tempted to follow his father's footsteps.
Throughout December, their sorting office is awash with gossip of colleagues' Christmas tips totals.
But he says "it's not a competition" and that those who deliver to villages tend to do better than those in towns, since they know their customers better.

Despite his postal worker credentials Jason admits: "If I wasn't a postman, I wouldn't think of tipping the postman. It wouldn't occur to me."
"I would never tip my postman!" he laughs.
He isn't the only one who doesn't think about festive tipping nowadays.
A recent survey of 2,000 people by British Corner Shop found only 8% of 25-34 year olds said they'd tip their postal worker and refuse collector at Christmas, versus 20% of over 55 year olds.

'My milkman is the supermarket'
Rachel Waterman, 44, from Northwich, Cheshire, hasn't carried on her parents' tradition of Christmas tipping.
"My parents gave 'Christmas boxes'," she says. "They gave the postman, the binman, and the milkman a bit of money to say thank you for doing your job."
But she says times have changed, and services have become far less personal: "Now the postman doesn't come until halfway through the day - I'm at work.
"Mum and dad knew the postman, they knew them by name. Nowadays your milkman is Sainsbury's, Waitrose, Tesco."
"Mum talked about tipping the hairdresser - I've never tipped my hairdresser," she said.
Rachel says like others, she doesn't carry cash as often, making it harder to quickly pass on a few pounds or tell people to "keep the change".

Royal Mail previously warned postal workers against accepting festive tips of more than £30 for fear of bribery charges.
But they told the BBC they want colleagues to "get the recognition they deserve" and regard the giving of Christmas tips "as a matter between customers and individual postmen and postwomen."
William Harvey, a 24-year-old postal worker from North Lanarkshire, said he didn't know Christmas tipping existed until a woman came up to him and tried to give him £20.
"I hadn't really spoken to her. She just came up to me and I was like 'don't be daft'," he says. "I tried to give it her back."
In his first winter as a postal worker, he's received £90 in tips so far.
"Even if I've not got mail for them, they just run after me and say 'here, that's for Christmas'," he says.
One of his colleagues, who has been working the same affluent area for 30 years, said he's been given a £1,000 so far this season.
"He says he's got a grand, he's just paid for his holidays next year," William laughs.
But it's still only a minority of people who tip, he says.

Neil Fay, 45, from Liverpool, says he gives a tenner to the postie and the person delivering his milk - but the refuse collectors won't be getting a look-in this year.
"My parents did tip the binmen in the days when they would take anything from you.
"But these days with wheelie bins and the strict collection policies I feel I do 80% of their work by taking the bins to the end of the back entry every week."
"A milkman costs me more than supermarket but I like the idea of a community based service and he's a lovely fella.
Neil says he's picked up the tradition from his parents generation but he doesn't think it's so common now.

"But even just a small token of appreciation to somebody might just put a smile on their face for a bit and that can't be a bad thing," he says.

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

20 Dec 2018, 14:38

SO RIGHT re your e-mail
it was on both national tv news programmes 2 years ago re tipping in general
everyone said similar thing on both channels re Postmen/women
we don't know our postman now !!! -don't know what time he turning up ? and sometimes see 2/3 different postmen in the same week !!
ALL SO TRUE
we have lost our identity with the public
yet were told customers want this ?? strange !! re deliveries times to suit them ???
most dont care what time it turns up-so long as it does !!
according to senior management we have to move with the times ???
but despite other couriers/parcel companies we can still dictate the delivery and always will do and customers will accept this l
as none of these organisations will ever have the infrastructure to deliver mail/parcels in volume we do and they never will !!!!!
we work more hours in U/K than any country/postal operation in Europe !!!!
I loathe turning up at 3pm with kids cards/presents re birthdays etc and other htigs in life as a whole !
people still want their mail early so they can act upon it
the infrastructure is wrong-we pay out more overtime than any other business in the U/K according to analysts/financial experts !!!
part time fixation ??
baffles me -worked in 4 other industries before coming here in 1998
never seen a more manual job/hands on that needs full time personnel - not part time !!!
mail down ?? yet poulation increases by 200,000 a year-we all living longer !!!
tipping is a thing of my age group in general-i still tip re resteraunts cafes etc
as for us-anything you get a bonus -it will never return as we lost the personal touch and it wont came back re the working idealogy being
put on us

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

20 Dec 2018, 17:37

In my experience the amount of 25-30 year olds who tip the postman is 0% and the vast majority come from the over 60s.

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

20 Dec 2018, 17:58

deltaforce wrote:In my experience the amount of 25-30 year olds who tip the postman is 0% and the vast majority come from the over 60s.

I get about 200 a year probably less this year and about 2 tips from under 60 year olds the rest are retired people

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

20 Dec 2018, 18:16

It's a law of physics;

Wealth multiplied by parcels divided by age = tip chance.

The bigger the number, the less chance of a tip.

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

20 Dec 2018, 21:51

cockneyrebel wrote:SO RIGHT re your e-mail
it was on both national tv news programmes 2 years ago re tipping in general
everyone said similar thing on both channels re Postmen/women
we don't know our postman now !!! -don't know what time he turning up ? and sometimes see 2/3 different postmen in the same week !!
ALL SO TRUE
we have lost our identity with the public
yet were told customers want this ?? strange !! re deliveries times to suit them ???
most dont care what time it turns up-so long as it does !!
according to senior management we have to move with the times ???
but despite other couriers/parcel companies we can still dictate the delivery and always will do and customers will accept this l
as none of these organisations will ever have the infrastructure to deliver mail/parcels in volume we do and they never will !!!!!
we work more hours in U/K than any country/postal operation in Europe !!!!
I loathe turning up at 3pm with kids cards/presents re birthdays etc and other htigs in life as a whole !
people still want their mail early so they can act upon it
the infrastructure is wrong-we pay out more overtime than any other business in the U/K according to analysts/financial experts !!!
part time fixation ??
baffles me -worked in 4 other industries before coming here in 1998
never seen a more manual job/hands on that needs full time personnel - not part time !!!
mail down ?? yet poulation increases by 200,000 a year-we all living longer !!!
tipping is a thing of my age group in general-i still tip re resteraunts cafes etc
as for us-anything you get a bonus -it will never return as we lost the personal touch and it wont came back re the working idealogy being
put on us

RM are saying parcel volumes have increased 20% this Xmas season. It's hard to tell if they are correct or not. I think certainly the numbers of smaller packets & parcels have increased by quite a lot. Wednesday and Thursday this week were really busy with no space left in the back of the van. At some point we are either going to all need larger vans such as transit sized or will have to reduce the size of the walks and make more duties. You all know which one of those RM will pick.
MCs have been concentrating on outward mail to make space so we all going to be really busy on Xmas eve. No earlier finishes this year methinks.
Overtime costs less than standard pay for RM so it's a no brainier for them to continue upping the percentage of part time staff. I agree the job works best and most efficiently on a full time basis but RM will never see it like that again.

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

23 Dec 2018, 21:00

matthew68 wrote:
deltaforce wrote:In my experience the amount of 25-30 year olds who tip the postman is 0% and the vast majority come from the over 60s.

I get about 200 a year probably less this year and about 2 tips from under 60 year olds the rest are retired people
try floating all year and get no tips even though they all get 100 plus in tips that’s the thanks you get from regular guys

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

23 Dec 2018, 21:45

cockneyrebel wrote:yet were told customers want this ?? strange !! re deliveries times to suit them ???


RM mean THEIR customers, the big retailers and distributors, they want later acceptance times so they can offer more next day deliveries. therefore mail arrives later at the delivery office.

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

30 Dec 2018, 12:09

mlw wrote:try floating all year and get no tips even though they all get 100 plus in tips that’s the thanks you get from regular guys


Unfortunately you must work with a bunch twats mlw. :thumbdown It's just common decency to pass on a few tips to your colleagues. Luckily I don't drink wine, and I'm not too keen on chocolate & sweets. So the Day Off Cover & Leave Reserve got a bottle of Red, and a bottle of White Wine each. Plus a Box of Chocolates and a card with a Cash. The Old Boy whose a "Floating Reserve" and sometimes covers just got a bottle of wine. I do believe it's important to give something to fellow Posties..... I even tipped MY Postie ..... and I can't stand him! Guess what he got.... Yep a bottle of wine. :cuppa

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

31 Dec 2018, 18:56

Dorset Plodder wrote:
mlw wrote:try floating all year and get no tips even though they all get 100 plus in tips that’s the thanks you get from regular guys


Unfortunately you must work with a bunch twats mlw. :thumbdown It's just common decency to pass on a few tips to your colleagues. Luckily I don't drink wine, and I'm not too keen on chocolate & sweets. So the Day Off Cover & Leave Reserve got a bottle of Red, and a bottle of White Wine each. Plus a Box of Chocolates and a card with a Cash. The Old Boy whose a "Floating Reserve" and sometimes covers just got a bottle of wine. I do believe it's important to give something to fellow Posties..... I even tipped MY Postie ..... and I can't stand him! Guess what he got.... Yep a bottle of wine. :cuppa

Fair play to you I wish the guys covered where a bit more like you as I have stayed on same floating duties all year and I actually got a bottle of wine and a tenner from one of the guys much to my surprise but the rest I had nothing as usual! And they all deliver in fairly decent areas and most give you nothing!

The posties who make £600 in Christmas tips

02 Jan 2019, 15:58

matthew68 wrote:Fair play to you I wish the guys covered where a bit more like you as I have stayed on same floating duties all year and I actually got a bottle of wine and a tenner from one of the guys much to my surprise but the rest I had nothing as usual! And they all deliver in fairly decent areas and most give you nothing!


Makes you wonder what's going on in their heads doesn't it? Common Decency would suggest they'd consider their Cover Guys. I suppose that's why we call them "Work Colleagues" and not "MATES". If you're feeling in a confrontational mood you might try asking them, "Were you planning on sharing any of your Christmas Tips with your Cover Guys then"? :cuppa

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