RM'should make postcode address data available for free'

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Royal Mail 'should make postcode address data available for free'

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Open Data User Group argues that removing charge for location details of 29m UK residences would benefit business.

Royal Mail should make its paid-for postcode address file (PAF) listing the locations of 29m residences available for free, says the Open Data User Group, whose chair was appointed by Cabinet Office minister Francis Maude.

Heather Savory, who chairs the ODUG, told the Guardian that freeing up the data would bring benefits to businesses that want to use accurate addressing but find the cost and licensing regime imposed by the Royal Mail on PAF licensees too onerous.

She said that PAF should be regarded as "core reference data" for businesses whose broader availability would have wide-ranging implications and benefits for the economy and society – while redressing an imbalance in its collection and use.

"This is data which comes from publicly funded, publicly owned bodies," she told the Guardian. "The Royal Mail is very opaque about the costs and profits of keeping PAF up to date, but we're pretty sure they could afford to make it free."

There is a precedent for such a freeing-up of government business-owned data: large amounts of map data belonging to Ordnance Survey, the government-owned trading fund which produces the UK's definitive maps, have been released under a similar licence since April 2010.

As part of that initiative, driven by web architect Sir Tim Berners-Lee – and at the urging of the Guardian's Free Our Data campaign – the Royal Mail also released its database which maps the UK's 1.8m postcodes to geolocations for free use. Royal Mail previously imposed charges for use of the postcode location file.

However, the PAF contains for more detailed information than the postcode location file. Where that only gives the location corresponding roughly to the centre of a postcode – each of which covers between 1 and 100 addresses, with an average of 15 – the PAF also gives the names of the residences.

ODUG quotes Royal Mail figures showing that PAF brings in about £26m in licensing revenue every year, but costs about £24m to run. Savory suggests that a substantial part of those costs lies in administration over the licences for PAF, which is sold in multiple forms and for which Royal Mail operates a stringent intellectual property regime.

In a paper to be published on Thursday, the ODUG argues that PAF should be released along with the Ordnance Survey's AddressBase Plus database and the National Street Gazetteer (NAG). Together the three databases comprise the elements of the long sought-for national address dataset. While the PAF contains the names of residences to which post can be delivered, there are many more – such as graveyards and other uninhabited locations – in the OS's AddressBase collection.

The UK has never had a single address dataset – apart from the one that was created for the most recent census, but was then immediately destroyed because it was only allowed to be used for that one purpose.

The ODUG's radical call would make a huge amount of formerly commercially-charged information which generated revenues of about £26m annually for Royal Mail available under an "Open Government Licence" – letting businesses use it for free. The ODUG argues that any loss in revenues for the Royal Mail would be more than made up by the revenues generated for businesses which would not have to go through onerous licensing procedures to use PAF.

Dr Rufus Pollock, the founder of the Open Knowledge Foundation, said making address data easily available was essential: "Every shopping site and delivery service needs up-to-date information of this kind – not only to use on its own but to combine with other sources of data. The lack of open information here is an often invisible barrier to innovation and efficiency. This is not just about the private sector – the government itself lacks a central national address register which hampers the delivery services and benefits to the public. It is high time this national resource funded by the taxpayer is made openly and freely available."

[fishtank]

"This is data which comes from publicly funded, publicly owned bodies," she told the Guardian. "The Royal Mail is very opaque about the costs and profits of keeping PAF up to date, but we're pretty sure they could afford to make it free."

Yes...let's make it free...as long as you're "pretty sure" we could afford it that should be good enough for us....and we're not publicly funded...you would think someone who worked at the Dept of BIS would know that.

[Donk]

The ODUG argues that any loss in revenues for the Royal Mail would be more than made up by the revenues generated for businesses which would not have to go through onerous licensing procedures to use PAF.

Am I missing something here? RM lose money but that's OK because other businesses make more?

[Lounge Lizard]

The ODUG argues that any loss in revenues for the Royal Mail would be more than made up by the revenues generated for businesses which would not have to go through onerous licensing procedures to use PAF.

Am I missing something here? RM lose money but that's OK because other businesses make more?

Why stop there ? Stop Royal Mail charging businesses for postage, and any loss in revenues for the Royal Mail would be more than made up by the revenues generated for businesses

[NWpostie]

They are too lazy to create a list themselves as it cost money and wants to leach off Royal Mail's effort and years of research and development, with the ultimate effect on threatening Postmen's jobs should TNT, DHL and other courier firms decide to use it to streamline their own costs at our expenses.

[cheffie]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

[crazyshrew]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

only this week we had dozens (might have been hundreds) of letters from HSBC with name, town and county. No street names or and only the first half of the postcode, so no help there.

spent a stupid amount of time killing the buggers off

[DGP1]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

only this week we had dozens (might have been hundreds) of letters from HSBC with name, town and county. No street names or and only the first half of the postcode, so no help there.

spent a stupid amount of time killing the buggers off

We had some of those too, all mine where delivered because I recognised the names.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

only this week we had dozens (might have been hundreds) of letters from HSBC with name, town and county. No street names or and only the first half of the postcode, so no help there.

spent a stupid amount of time killing the buggers off

We had some of those too, all mine where delivered because I recognised the names.

I was about 75% sucessful, but how the hell did HSBC quality assurance let them out. Madness

[Lounge Lizard]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

only this week we had dozens (might have been hundreds) of letters from HSBC with name, town and county. No street names or and only the first half of the postcode, so no help there.

spent a stupid amount of time killing the buggers off

We had some of those too, all mine where delivered because I recognised the names.

- and they'll remember you at Christmas.

[DGP1]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

only this week we had dozens (might have been hundreds) of letters from HSBC with name, town and county. No street names or and only the first half of the postcode, so no help there.

spent a stupid amount of time killing the buggers off

We had some of those too, all mine where delivered because I recognised the names.

- and they'll remember you at Christmas.

You say the nicest things

[Lounge Lizard]

Maybe that way large companies would get the right postcode for the location of the letter they are sending cutting down the number of red return stickers with "no such address"that we send back

only this week we had dozens (might have been hundreds) of letters from HSBC with name, town and county. No street names or and only the first half of the postcode, so no help there.

spent a stupid amount of time killing the buggers off

We had some of those too, all mine where delivered because I recognised the names.

- and they'll remember you at Christmas.

You say the nicest things

Well, I'm that sort of person so I'm told