more info on the latest RM terms

[goinpostal]

yep i reckon that they had actually come round to thinking that, if the money was right they could sell some of it to RM, who probably just sat around saying whatever the CWU wanted to hear and keeping them busy till they were ready to diss the union. *Sigh* reformist union bureaucrats can be so gullible.

what gets me is that the PEC are still talking about going back to the period of calm! FFS get real!

[goinpostal]

in one of the previous lists of changes it said ending national negotiations on technology change, which will be done at local level, dont see that anywhere in it.

[Carnoustie]

btw someone should make those arses at hellmail eat their words, they had a topic where they were questioning why posties were banging on about the business plan when there were "only" 5 things RM had actually proposed - well they will have to change their tune now. im banned for saying they were biased but someone else could do it! hellmail

See http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... 7308#47308 mate

[norbet colon]

btw someone should make those arses at hellmail eat their words, they had a topic where they were questioning why posties were banging on about the business plan when there were "only" 5 things RM had actually proposed - well they will have to change their tune now. im banned for saying they were biased but someone else could do it! hellmail

-with some of the 5 things you could drive a bus through,as per usual; deliberately vague and ambigious .

See http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... 7308#47308 mate

[mailsort6]

IF these proposals are enforced I can see loads of grievance cases and losts of cases going to the employment tribunal for constructive dismissal because this is all it is. When posties joined the business they knew what hours were available (e.g. 5.00am, 6.00am starts) and thats why posties took the job to shape around their lives. Posites do not take these terms and conditions without putting up a fight, seek legal advice. If a postie's current contract states 40 or 20 hours a week why should they do annualised hours, for example, 50 hours one week and 30 hours the other week.

[dvbuk55]

IF these proposals are enforced I can see loads of grievance cases and losts of cases going to the employment tribunal for constructive dismissal because this is all it is. When posties joined the business they knew what hours were available (e.g. 5.00am, 6.00am starts) and thats why posties took the job to shape around their lives. Posites do not take these terms and conditions without putting up a fight, seek legal advice. If a postie's current contract states 40 or 20 hours a week why should they do annualised hours, for example, 50 hours one week and 30 hours the other week.

I noticed when they put the idea forward it said "30 hrs one week and 50 hrs the next" giving the impression that you were being given something - however the reality could be very different lets for example say - 46, 50, 44, 52 etc etc etc now who is keeping a watch on the hours worked. Some of the "inner circle of friends" shall I say - work 70 hours NOW - how long is that little fraternity going to survive when they aren't being paid?

Here is the "Annual Hours" Theory

hours may be divided between planned ‘rostered’ shifts and ‘banked’ hours, for example, each employee might work 16 planned shifts in each four weeks, adding up to 1500 hours in a year and an additional 400 ‘banked’ hours to cover holidays, sickness, training and absences as required
shifts are organised so as to provide employees with blocks of days off between shifts – the numbers of days vary according to the system used but one block each month can be as long as six days
employees can benefit from regular, longer breaks created during the working year - some systems guarantee two 16 day breaks each year, one in winter, one in summer
managers have greater control over individuals' work patterns
pay is on a salary basis – paid overtime is eliminated through consolidation

[el buro]

i can see these hours being used as a new way of getting us to work for free ,our line managers are reluctant to pay exess as it is with claimed hours mysteriousley dissapearing at least in response to this we can stop working over our time but when you do a 10 hour day and it is only put down as 8 what redress will we have then this is a draconian attack on our rights as employees and is open to abuse by managment

[fedup postie]

Very much open to abuse!!

[robd]

i worked for a distribution firm who had annualised hours.
the year was split into 3.
4 months at 30hours,4 months at 40hours, and 4 months at 50 hours.
you get paid exactly the same amount each week,the theory being you accrue hours in the high season to pay for
the low season.
however say for example you joined during low season and then decided to leave a few years later during high
season,you could end up actually owing the company money!

[Carla]

IF these proposals are enforced I can see loads of grievance cases and losts of cases going to the employment tribunal for constructive dismissal because this is all it is. When posties joined the business they knew what hours were available (e.g. 5.00am, 6.00am starts) and thats why posties took the job to shape around their lives. Posites do not take these terms and conditions without putting up a fight, seek legal advice. If a postie's current contract states 40 or 20 hours a week why should they do annualised hours, for example, 50 hours one week and 30 hours the other week.

If contract says 40 hours a week then it seems that royal mail are actually breaking your terms of contract especially with so called ANNUALISED HOURS ie if you worked 35 hours one week and then they can't force you to work 50 hours next week it just breaks your contract i would look into that cause you should still get paid even if you didn't work full 40 hours. It's not our fault when volume of mails drops during the summertime so why should we pay for them two c***s millions for sitting on their fat bastard backside pen pushing :cfo :lfo leighton your full of bullshit

[dvbuk55]

IF these proposals are enforced I can see loads of grievance cases and losts of cases going to the employment tribunal for constructive dismissal because this is all it is. When posties joined the business they knew what hours were available (e.g. 5.00am, 6.00am starts) and thats why posties took the job to shape around their lives. Posites do not take these terms and conditions without putting up a fight, seek legal advice. If a postie's current contract states 40 or 20 hours a week why should they do annualised hours, for example, 50 hours one week and 30 hours the other week.

If contract says 40 hours a week then it seems that royal mail are actually breaking your terms of contract especially with so called ANNUALISED HOURS ie if you worked 35 hours one week and then they can't force you to work 50 hours next week it just breaks your contract i would look into that cause you should still get paid even if you didn't work full 40 hours. It's not our fault when volume of mails drops during the summertime so why should we pay for them two c***s millions for sitting on their fat bastard backside pen pushing :cfo :lfo leighton your full of bullshit

I take it then you're against Carla.

I wonder if anyone noticed that at the end of the theory was that pay would be salaried - and RMs proposal for monthly pay would fit that scenrio.

[Carla]

Well any so called bullshit by crozier and leighton needs put back in the cupboard as far as i am concerned :cfo :lfo they can f**k off

[madelin4]

so are theygoing to impose all that flexibility stuff? if they do rather than wait till after a strike theyd be doing us a favour, it will cause a revolt

Will they now be able to take us off our signed for duties from 1st october???

[MP71]

IT seems clear to me that this is simply a clumsy attempt to provoke fury and a kneejerk all out response.
RM are terrified of a continuation of the rolling action because of it's potential durability and effectiveness.

RM have calculated that an all out strike will be unsustainable, they will try to starve us back to work, and slowly as hardship bites they will divide and weaken our support.

This is purely the latest in a long line of provocative actions all attempting to shape the course of this dispute.

Just think, 2 weeks of rolling action caused chaos, 4 weeks and the network would be paralysed.

Well said Belial, An all out strike would not be sustainable by most workers. People say it would but we all have bills etc to pay. However, the rolling action caused chaos and cost us little, We should restart that action as soon as possible and continue until the two idiots in charge have a change of heart!

YES YES YES with a national work to 318 :cfo :lfo

[MP71]

IT seems clear to me that this is simply a clumsy attempt to provoke fury and a kneejerk all out response.
RM are terrified of a continuation of the rolling action because of it's potential durability and effectiveness.

RM have calculated that an all out strike will be unsustainable, they will try to starve us back to work, and slowly as hardship bites they will divide and weaken our support.

This is purely the latest in a long line of provocative actions all attempting to shape the course of this dispute.

Just think, 2 weeks of rolling action caused chaos, 4 weeks and the network would be paralysed.

Well said Belial, An all out strike would not be sustainable by most workers. People say it would but we all have bills etc to pay. However, the rolling action caused chaos and cost us little, We should restart that action as soon as possible and continue until the two idiots in charge have a change of heart!

YES YES YES with a national work to 318 :cfo :lfo