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padraig1965
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Strikes

Post by padraig1965 »

I've been told by Union Area rep that Royal Mail offer is :

- Later starts commencing October 8th
- MTSF agreement scrapped
- Monthly Pay
- Annualised hours (meaning no overtime or Scheduled Attendance money)
- condensing 6 walks into 5
- small teams to cover sick and annual leave for no extra pay
- Flexibility (meaning any walk or reasonable request from management and no more seniority)
- Pension age up to 65 compulsory
- Scrap final salary scheme
- Staff to work on personal performance criteria (regular targets and one to ones)
- Extra door to door items for no extra pay.

What about this shxx. :crazy:
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DIVIDE AND CONQUER

Post by vigilante »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:Looks as though RMs divide and conquer strategy is starting to roll again.


THEY STARTED TO REALLY DIVIDE AND CONQUER WHEN THEY DECIDED TO DISBAND SECTIONS IN FAVOUR OF THE STUPID DEDICATED DUTY CRAP.
FIVE MENS VOICE TURNED INTO THE LONELY ONE----ALL LOOKING AFTER THEMSELVES.
WHAT A S**T DAY THAT WAS WHEN IT HAPPENED.
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Post by Spartacus »

BELIAL wrote:And their trying to nick the pension
Had my pension illustration through a couple of days ago.

If I was to retire at 60 I would get a pension of £7200 pounds a year (I'm not counting the lump sum/reduced pension for this)

If I am made to wait 'till I'm 65 to get my pension Royal Mail will effectively have stolen THIRTY SIX THOUSAND POUNDS from me.

So those who say they can't afford to strike should be made aware of how much we actually stand to lose.
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Re: Strikes

Post by madelin4 »

padraig1965 wrote:I've been told by Union Area rep that Royal Mail offer is :

- Later starts commencing October 8th
- MTSF agreement scrapped
- Monthly Pay
- Annualised hours (meaning no overtime or Scheduled Attendance money)
- condensing 6 walks into 5
- small teams to cover sick and annual leave for no extra pay
- Flexibility (meaning any walk or reasonable request from management and no more seniority)
- Pension age up to 65 compulsory
- Scrap final salary scheme
- Staff to work on personal performance criteria (regular targets and one to ones)
- Extra door to door items for no extra pay.

What about this shxx. :crazy:
Makes me ill just reading that mate! :mad
madelin4
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Re: Strikes

Post by madelin4 »

madelin4 wrote:
padraig1965 wrote:I've been told by Union Area rep that Royal Mail offer is :

- Later starts commencing October 8th
- MTSF agreement scrapped
- Monthly Pay
- Annualised hours (meaning no overtime or Scheduled Attendance money)
- condensing 6 walks into 5
- small teams to cover sick and annual leave for no extra pay
- Flexibility (meaning any walk or reasonable request from management and no more seniority)
- Pension age up to 65 compulsory
- Scrap final salary scheme
- Staff to work on personal performance criteria (regular targets and one to ones)
- Extra door to door items for no extra pay.On the note of personal performance it is prob just another way to tell us we not up to scratch and get rid us(full-timers anyway) and the flexibility thing that is just no good, quality of service will go right down the tub and of course people wont be as good a performer like this as they wud be on a set duty.. i think the whole office shud have a set duty and a set floater and reserve guys also. being moved all the time will put everyones performance down.

What about this shxx. :crazy:
Makes me ill just reading that mate! :mad
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Post by dvbuk55 »

BELIAL wrote:And their trying to nick the pension
The latest being that 6.75% pay rise included 2% which they want extra for the pension deficit AND the 5 years extra service.

I dread to think what their demands are going to be in the future if we don't get some sort of agreement now.

I wonder if the public are really aware how badly we are being served here. After years of dedicated service with lets face it poor wages and working in all weathers with only the prospect of a half decent pension and an earlier retirement we are faced with this.
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pensions

Post by vigilante »

Spartacus wrote:
BELIAL wrote:And their trying to nick the pension
Had my pension illustration through a couple of days ago.

If I was to retire at 60 I would get a pension of £7200 pounds a year (I'm not counting the lump sum/reduced pension for this)

If I am made to wait 'till I'm 65 to get my pension Royal Mail will effectively have stolen THIRTY SIX THOUSAND POUNDS from me.

So those who say they can't afford to strike should be made aware of how much we actually stand to lose.


CANT SEE PAST THEIR NOSE SOME OF EM, TOO IGNORANT
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PUBLIC

Post by vigilante »

dvbuk55 wrote:
BELIAL wrote:And their trying to nick the pension
The latest being that 6.75% pay rise included 2% which they want extra for the pension deficit AND the 5 years extra service.

I dread to think what their demands are going to be in the future if we don't get some sort of agreement now.

I wonder if the public are really aware how badly we are being served here. After years of dedicated service with lets face it poor wages and working in all weathers with only the prospect of a half decent pension and an earlier retirement we are faced with this.

SADLY MATE THEY ARE NOT INFORMED AT ALL ABOUT THIS COMPANIES ANTICS
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Re: SLIGHTLY NEW ANGLE FOM CHANNEL 4

Post by strangler »

TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
"Our clear aim in consulting on pensions is to protect our existing people's pensions as far as possible and not increase their contributions - while what the union wants is to keep the scheme open to new recruits, even though they know it will disadvantage our postmen and postwomen who already work for the company."


© Independent Television News Limited 2007. All rights reserved.
Can anyone clarify this? Jafferpants perhaps? Why have we not heard unions position regarding this?
That aside, 6.75% may sound ok but no sooner are they giving this to you and it would seem they are snatching it back in extra contributions, then kicking you up the arse with the extra 5 years you`ll have to work not to mention the money you`ll lose in that time and that`s without the flexibility crap! :shock:
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Re: SLIGHTLY NEW ANGLE FOM CHANNEL 4

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strangler wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
"Our clear aim in consulting on pensions is to protect our existing people's pensions as far as possible and not increase their contributions - while what the union wants is to keep the scheme open to new recruits, even though they know it will disadvantage our postmen and postwomen who already work for the company."


© Independent Television News Limited 2007. All rights reserved.
Can anyone clarify this? Jafferpants perhaps? Why have we not heard unions position regarding this?
That aside, 6.75% may sound ok but no sooner are they giving this to you and it would seem they are snatching it back in extra contributions, then kicking you up the arse with the extra 5 years you`ll have to work not to mention the money you`ll lose in that time and that`s without the flexibility crap! :shock:
And doing D2D for nothing!
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Post by BELIAL »

And three years down the line with staff turnover and a two tier workforce they'll come back for more of your pension money and your ringfenced early start allowance will vanish into Adams bonus.
And the CWU will ask earnestly for us all to strike to resist this robbery and the percentage of the workforce who have never recieved these benefits and never will , most probably will say sod off.
And the workforce will be terminally divided, and there will be great fear and confusion.
And as a lamb to the slaughter the workforce shall be led to thier doom
And on the second day Allan will rest[cos he only does one day]
And on the sixth day Adam will rest and tot up his bonuses
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Re: SLIGHTLY NEW ANGLE FOM CHANNEL 4

Post by Carnoustie »

strangler wrote:
TrueBlueTerrier wrote:
"Our clear aim in consulting on pensions is to protect our existing people's pensions as far as possible and not increase their contributions - while what the union wants is to keep the scheme open to new recruits, even though they know it will disadvantage our postmen and postwomen who already work for the company."


© Independent Television News Limited 2007. All rights reserved.
Can anyone clarify this? Jafferpants perhaps? Why have we not heard unions position regarding this?
That aside, 6.75% may sound ok but no sooner are they giving this to you and it would seem they are snatching it back in extra contributions, then kicking you up the arse with the extra 5 years you`ll have to work not to mention the money you`ll lose in that time and that`s without the flexibility crap! :shock:
The thing that should scare the hell out of anyone is the proposal for annualised hours !!!

People at my RDC (part of the network function) have been used to high levels of Scheduled Attendance and overtime, which make up for the shite basic pay. As I understand the concept of anal-ised hours, when volumes are down, we could be sent home early, but 'owe' the company that time. So, when autumn pressure kicks in, you'd turn up at your usual start time and they'd tell you 'we want you to pay back 2, 3 or 4 ? hours of that time you owe us, so today you can't go home until such-and-such time.

The cost savings from this would be enormous, because they would be getting the work done at busy periods at basic pay rate i.e. without needing to pay overtime rates, casuals, agency staff. In fact, overtime and SA's would be a thing of the past, and Royal Mail would have a degree of control over your work / life balance that would as far as I'm concerned be the equivalent of the re-introduction of slavery
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And the other thing that must surely be tied-in with this proposal must be to move everyone on to monthly pay, because they must be wanting to cut payroll and admin jobs too, so it's highly unlikely they'd want the nightmare of having to adjust everyone's individual wage each week to reflect the actual number of hours worked. They'd want us on monthly salary because, as I said, that's dead simple to calculate and pay out when nobody is getting overtime anymore :mad

It's obvious what the effect of annualised hours would be, were it brought in. People would simply not be able to stay in the job. Even if they could survive on just the basic wage, think of the catastrophic effect of trying to plan a family life or social life when you don't know from one day to the next what time you're going to be required to work to.

Maybe that's the whole idea. People just chuck the job in and they achieve the 40,000 job losses without ever needing to pay redundancy payments :no no

TOTALLY AND UTTERLY UNACCEPTABLE. WE MUST FIGHT THIS OR THE JOB WON'T BE ONE WORTH HAVING

:lfo :cfo
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Post by Crackerjackpencil »

Looks as though RMs divide and conquer strategy is starting to roll again
Ah you mean tell us one thing and impliment it and tel the press it's not really happening at all and we're all a buch of fibbers....Gits...I'll see them on the picket line, hopefully alongside the firebrigade and the coppers and nurses too...Let's all stick it to Brown where the sun don't shine.
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Post by blackadder »

fink linkinpark said what most us r finking at the mo. whatever happens will happen and if and when we strike we can say that we aint happy with royal mail managment and government. but i and a lot of u will b finking on the picket line IS IT WORTH IT . i would like your response even from strike breakers
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

blackadder wrote:fink linkinpark said what most us r finking at the mo. whatever happens will happen and if and when we strike we can say that we aint happy with royal mail managment and government. but i and a lot of u will b finking on the picket line IS IT WORTH IT . i would like your response even from strike breakers
If you want a picture of what life would be like without unions, read 'The Making of the English Working Class' by EP Thompson.
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"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."