Night Tonic wrote:
And who do you think fed it to the media?? The CWU did. Take it up with them. If you have to complain, complain about something worthwhile. Why should we be entitled to a wage rise when most have theirs frozen or reduced and sorry TBT I DON'T say people should not complain but on this one I stand firm and if it goes against others viewpoints then so be it. Or am I not entitled to have a viewpoint other than that expressed by rank and file (whatever that is these days).
As for Dave Ward, he can shout all he likes and dust off his flask and bobble hat if he likes but it will make no odds. None.
Night Tonic wrote:Stop whinging and be thankful you're employed.
Of course you are entitled to a counter viewpoint to the rest of us, we do live in a Democracy. All I said was that people are allowed to complain (whinging if you will).
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And who do you think fed it to the media?? The CWU did. Take it up with them. If you have to complain, complain about something worthwhile.
Why let the truth get in the way of a good story you'd make a good journalist NT, if you worked at it you might be as good as that Mark White on Hellmail, the articles he writes on Hellmail are unbelievable the Pulizer awaits
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MPs will receive a 2.33% pay rise from 1 April 2009, bringing their basic pay to around £64,766 a year.
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It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been. My BFF Clash The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
So RM have just followed the lead of most other businesses, freeze the pay of the workforce while executives continue the golden lifestyles. Is it any bit of wonder some of us a pissed with it and then to find out from the media probaly as they have not the stomach to tell us through the proper channels.
What gets me is of all my collegues who were complaining about this half of them then left the office with no break and in their cars.
Night Tonic wrote:Anyone who WAS expecting a pay rise must be living in cloud cuckoo land anyway. Everyone moans at how little the rise is so no one will miss it will they. Better to be in a job than no job I say. Annoying yes, but not the end of the world. Unless......ah yes we could all go on strike. Nice one.
Sounding like a cracked record. You said exactly the same things in 2007 , you were wrong then ,RM offered 0% we went on strike and got 6.5% , and you will be proven wrong again. I'm getting embarrassed for you.
Still nobody could ever accuse you of being a fast learner, and you do have a remarkable knack of not letting uncomfortable facts get in the way of your peculiar version of reality
Night Tonic wrote:Anyone who WAS expecting a pay rise must be living in cloud cuckoo land anyway. Everyone moans at how little the rise is so no one will miss it will they. Better to be in a job than no job I say. Annoying yes, but not the end of the world. Unless......ah yes we could all go on strike. Nice one.
Sounding like a cracked record. You said exactly the same things in 2007 , you were wrong then ,RM offered 0% we went on strike and got 6.5% , and you will be proven wrong again. I'm getting embarrassed for you.
Still nobody could ever accuse you of being a fast learner, and you do have a remarkable knack of not letting uncomfortable facts get in the way of your peculiar version of reality
In 2007 NT was close to retirement so I can't understand why he is still working anyone I know has jumped ship to live off their retirement payments.
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Night Tonic wrote:Anyone who WAS expecting a pay rise must be living in cloud cuckoo land anyway. Everyone moans at how little the rise is so no one will miss it will they. Better to be in a job than no job I say. Annoying yes, but not the end of the world. Unless......ah yes we could all go on strike. Nice one.
Sounding like a cracked record. You said exactly the same things in 2007 , you were wrong then ,RM offered 0% we went on strike and got 6.5% , and you will be proven wrong again. I'm getting embarrassed for you.
Still nobody could ever accuse you of being a fast learner, and you do have a remarkable knack of not letting uncomfortable facts get in the way of your peculiar version of reality
Advances? Yes I can see them all. Two to a van, timed walks, full time to part-time, etc etc. As for returement I have exactly three months to go and delivering when most on here were in nappies :)
Few here know real hardship, very few old enough to have experienced it, or know whats really important in life. A pay freeze isn't. Jobs are in short supply. Count your blessings.
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Night Tonic wrote:Jobs are in short supply. Count your blessings.
Yes, you are right in a twisted way, we are lucky to have a job. However, does that mean that anyone 'lucky' enough to be employed should be shafted up the ass and working rights eroded.
In that respect your whole argument collapses.
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Night Tonic wrote:Anyone who WAS expecting a pay rise must be living in cloud cuckoo land anyway. Everyone moans at how little the rise is so no one will miss it will they. Better to be in a job than no job I say. Annoying yes, but not the end of the world. Unless......ah yes we could all go on strike. Nice one.
Sounding like a cracked record. You said exactly the same things in 2007 , you were wrong then ,RM offered 0% we went on strike and got 6.5% , and you will be proven wrong again. I'm getting embarrassed for you.
Still nobody could ever accuse you of being a fast learner, and you do have a remarkable knack of not letting uncomfortable facts get in the way of your peculiar version of reality
Advances? Yes I can see them all. Two to a van, timed walks, full time to part-time, etc etc. As for retirement I have exactly three months to go and delivering when most on here were in nappies :)
Few here know real hardship, very few old enough to have experienced it, or know whats really important in life. A pay freeze isn't. Jobs are in short supply. Count your blessings.
What comes across here is someone who has worked hard all his life and is getting out at the right time. But unfortunately the tone of your postings is very aggravating to read.I can t stand people who gloat. Its like someone who has won the lottery then advising people how to save their money. I don t care if we get a poxy pay rise to be honest, but I will NOT have a revision aggressively implemented by managers that will receive bonuses if this is done. It is pure hypocrisy that has been passed down from politicians who claim ridiculous expenses, to NHS chief executives bankrupting hospitals while sacking and laying off nurses and part time medical secretaries then employing PA's at 40K a time. And finally RM managers who could not manage a piss up in a brewery implementing stuff they know wont work (look at last year, It was a total mess)but getting bonuses and more money while leaving the workforce shafted and knackered. We deliver post, pure and simple and to make this so complicated is beyond me. Give me my wage, my walk or driving duty and let me get on with it. :mfo
Night Tonic wrote:Anyone who WAS expecting a pay rise must be living in cloud cuckoo land anyway. Everyone moans at how little the rise is so no one will miss it will they. Better to be in a job than no job I say. Annoying yes, but not the end of the world. Unless......ah yes we could all go on strike. Nice one.
Sounding like a cracked record. You said exactly the same things in 2007 , you were wrong then ,RM offered 0% we went on strike and got 6.5% , and you will be proven wrong again. I'm getting embarrassed for you.
Still nobody could ever accuse you of being a fast learner, and you do have a remarkable knack of not letting uncomfortable facts get in the way of your peculiar version of reality
Advances? Yes I can see them all. Two to a van, timed walks, full time to part-time, etc etc. As for retirement I have exactly three months to go and delivering when most on here were in nappies :)
Few here know real hardship, very few old enough to have experienced it, or know whats really important in life. A pay freeze isn't. Jobs are in short supply. Count your blessings.
What comes across here is someone who has worked hard all his life and is getting out at the right time. But unfortunately the tone of your postings is very aggravating to read.I can t stand people who gloat. Its like someone who has won the lottery then advising people how to save their money. I don t care if we get a poxy pay rise to be honest, but I will NOT have a revision aggressively implemented by managers that will receive bonuses if this is done. It is pure hypocrisy that has been passed down from politicians who claim ridiculous expenses, to NHS chief executives bankrupting hospitals while sacking and laying off nurses and part time medical secretaries then employing PA's at 40K a time. And finally RM managers who could not manage a piss up in a brewery implementing stuff they know wont work (look at last year, It was a total mess)but getting bonuses and more money while leaving the workforce shafted and knackered. We deliver post, pure and simple and to make this so complicated is beyond me. Give me my wage, my walk or driving duty and let me get on with it. :mfo
that's how the CWU should play it , attack these people , Jeannie Drake of CWU telecoms went for the jugular and won the propaganda war and got rid of one BT Director . More than one way of skinning a cat .
The big picture is Europe , dodgy TNT way , Senior Managers on the lookout for the main chance , might be looking for a punch up with the CWU ?
Also a lot of papers don't like Crozier as he worked for the Torygraph before he nearly got sacked for fiddling sales figures and learnt a humbling lesson
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Postby Night Tonic » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:33,pm
I stand by much of what I say. I have another ten years to go before I retire (have a private pension) but what use is there in banging your head against the wall for a job that so many seem to feel isn't worth doing anymore. There are no end of other unskilled jobs around that have better hours than RM. Theres NOTHING to stop anyone making a go of their lives and doing something else instead of whinging about what they can do to make life harder for RM. If I was a younger man I'd definately be looking for another job but its not worth it at my time of life and I'm still fit enough to keep up with the young uns.
Mind you, we could always start our own union I suppose.....
Postby Night Tonic » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:15,am
I was clearly sharp enough to look elsewhere for my pension and terms and conditions are your stint now. 37 years is than enough for me. Dying business, you'll have to come to terms with it sooner or later.
That's got to be the quickest ten years in history
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rockytony67 wrote:NT got three months to retirement
Postby Night Tonic » Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:33,pm
I stand by much of what I say. I have another ten years to go before I retire (have a private pension) but what use is there in banging your head against the wall for a job that so many seem to feel isn't worth doing anymore. There are no end of other unskilled jobs around that have better hours than RM. Theres NOTHING to stop anyone making a go of their lives and doing something else instead of whinging about what they can do to make life harder for RM. If I was a younger man I'd definately be looking for another job but its not worth it at my time of life and I'm still fit enough to keep up with the young uns.
Mind you, we could always start our own union I suppose.....
Postby Night Tonic » Sat Dec 20, 2008 1:15,am Wonder if N.T has taken E.V.R could be ten years have become 3 months!
I was clearly sharp enough to look elsewhere for my pension and terms and conditions are your stint now. 37 years is than enough for me. Dying business, you'll have to come to terms with it sooner or later.
That's got to be the quickest ten years in history
Night Tonic wrote:Jobs are in short supply. Count your blessings.
Yes, you are right in a twisted way, we are lucky to have a job. However, does that mean that anyone 'lucky' enough to be employed should be shafted up the ass and working rights eroded.
you'd make a good journalist NT, if you worked at it you might be as good as that Mark White on Hellmail, the articles he writes on Hellmail are unbelievable 
the Pulizer awaits 
anyone I know has jumped ship to live off their retirement payments.
Wonder if N.T has taken E.V.R could be ten years have become 3 months!