RM TO ANNOUNCE PAY FREEZE

[Night Tonic]

If this, if that, yeah right. For crying out loud you lot, just be DAMNED glad we even have a job! The job centre queue out my way is out along the road. As for this idea of doing even less work - great, just perpetuate the concept that postal workers are lazy and push more of us into reduyndancy. "I'll only do what I'm paid for and demand everything that is my right" the I'm all right jack mentality. The voice of the people - pah.

I'm just glad there are a few in this thread that are grateful not to be taking massive pay cuts or unemployment.

[banner18]

If this, if that, yeah right. For crying out loud you lot, just be DAMNED glad we even have a job! The job centre queue out my way is out along the road. As for this idea of doing even less work - great, just perpetuate the concept that postal workers are lazy and push more of us into reduyndancy. "I'll only do what I'm paid for and demand everything that is my right" the I'm all right jack mentality. The voice of the people - pah.

I'm just glad there are a few in this thread that are grateful not to be taking massive pay cuts or unemployment.

I just don't agree with the thinking that we should accept worser and worser pay and conditions just because some others are even worse off. On that basis, we should all just get a bowl of rice everyday for our toils like in some parts of asia. It is just poor reasoning. You have to look at the overall state of things to get to a reasonable answer.
The economy is in decline, the letters market is shrinking. Both true. Also RM made an operating profit. RM directors are still getting very good bonus packages. Working conditions have gotten worse in the last few years and most are now working harder than ever for their wage. I think we deserve more than a pay freeze.

The fact is that RM are just using this as another cost cutting measure and we are now on the slippery slope to a crap job with crap pay and crap conditions.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I think Night Tonic along with most of the Private Sector has forgotten that when that sector was getting decent pay increases we were getting below inflation ones. Apparently this was offset by job security, well, as Job security and earning levels are being reduced I don't think its beyond the bounds of responsibility or decency that we at least discuss the possibility of a pay rise.

I for one thought a pay freeze was a possibility, but as Royal Mail have recently professed that they engage with their staff I thought at least we could have been informed before the National Press was, and that they would have allowed the CWU to at least discuss the subject before they announced it.

However, I think as I have said previously there is more to this than a pay freeze, I think this is a tactic by RM to try and reduce the pay settlement. Also they will use the "Greedy Unions" card again when the CWU tie Pay into the current and fermenting disputes. Play the long game please CWU and try and be a bit more canny.

[Ernie Shoe]

You hit the nail on the head regarding my anger TBT.

I heard I was getting no pay rise from the bbc not my employer.

That is what we are dealing with with this employer.

The least one can expect is to be formally informed by our employer before the media.

I have worked for a number of employers over the past 20 years; never have I felt so treated with contempt as I have with this shower of sh*te!

Night Tonic, Former Postie - anything to add.

Perhaps as most people have a TV, internet connection maybe this is the modern world and this is Ok

[dvbuk55]

No pay rise - but lets look on the bright side - they are going to give us £260 a day just to turn up - phew that's a relief.

[DGP1]

It wasn't even announced in my office, it was just quietly put up on the notice board (it didn't stop me and my big mouth shouting about it at every opportunity ).

As I said before - I'll take the pay freeze if I get a reduction in my working week (after all there's less post to deliver now so it should be possible).

[End of the road]

It went down well in our office as well.................

The bloody shift manager was winding everyone up all day with cheap jibes, he thought it was funny. I DO NOT WISH TO LAY DOWN AND TAKE THIS CRAP OFF THESE HALFWITS, we need to be more together then we ever have been to beat them. A strike is not going to work and getting support for such action is going to be difficult, if not near impossible to many comrades have not heart for it. A work to rule would on the other hand screw the whole business up in a matter of days. Some one goes sick or they lift some twot to acting manager we leave the duty empty and refuse O/T. This is going to hurt losing the O/T, but its been going down and down anyway, this way everyone keeps there core pay.

Comrades have to realise that without our good will and willingness to serve the public, the whole system grinds to a halt as those in charge have neither the collective brainpower to deal with it or the support from senior managers.

If we lay down and except this pay freeze we may as well burn our union cards and adopt fore lock tugging

[Night Tonic]

You hit the nail on the head regarding my anger TBT.

I heard I was getting no pay rise from the bbc not my employer.

That is what we are dealing with with this employer.

The least one can expect is to be formally informed by our employer before the media.

I have worked for a number of employers over the past 20 years; never have I felt so treated with contempt as I have with this shower of sh*te!

Night Tonic, Former Postie - anything to add.

Perhaps as most people have a TV, internet connection maybe this is the modern world and this is Ok

Yes, much to add. Stop whinging and be thankful you're employed. I have friends both employed and self-employed with families that have either seen their jobs go or wages slashed. Pay freeze is not the end of the world or is this just royalmailwhinge and nothing else? Lighten up.

[yorksaint]

A cut in hours would be acceptable to me in lieu of a pay increase, though in our MC a load of sorters have something called 'Time Option Bonus' (t.o.b) so already only do 38.5 hrs p.w! - that might complicate matters!

[greynut]

If this, if that, yeah right. For crying out loud you lot, just be DAMNED glad we even have a job! The job centre queue out my way is out along the road. As for this idea of doing even less work - great, just perpetuate the concept that postal workers are lazy and push more of us into redundancy. "I'll only do what I'm paid for and demand everything that is my right" the I'm all right jack mentality. The voice of the people - pah.

I'm just glad there are a few in this thread that are grateful not to be taking massive pay cuts or unemployment.

We have a job because we do the job we are paid to do. We are making money.Believe me I work hard for my basic pay and I DO NOT feel lucky I have a job at RM, I think RM are lucky to have me working for them. We are 24.2 billion pounds better off ,results wise, than Barclay's this year. We are 7 months into our revision and already RM management want another one. Why don t we have a freeze of all pay rises, managers bonuses, managers expenses and above all revisions for the next 12 months so that we can have an honest assessment of how RM is doing? (Pay and modernisation. Seen any??).

[Ernie Shoe]

Night Tonic.
You seem to be unable to interpret english correctly.

I am not "whinging" about the pay freeze - we should be told first before the media; basic manners and respect.

Be grateful to have a job eh. Royal Mail should also be grateful to have employers that stick the job out for years. Agency workers cost more money. People leaving after a few months cost Royal mail more money (new uniforms, costs of recruiting etc).

get back to reading the Daily Express

[Puppetmaster]

Many Companies are using the Credit Crunch as a excuse for massive cost cutting.
No pay rise I am sure the Goverment will urge caution ,so how about Ccouncil Tax being put to last years level NO increae.HOW about food prices being capped and not increasing,the recent fuel duty increase being cut ,THE STUPID PEOPLE WHO WORK as opposed to living a luxury life on benefits we have all seen them,deserve to be able to have a drink and smoke if the want to at the weekend if they have worked hard all week,how about these recent tax increases being cut.Banks etc,actualy helping people and not hitting them with punitive charges,after all most are now owned by Tax payers!

For RM now ,The rounds are huge,and if the job done by the book proably would not be able to complete on time.RM has plenty of money,IF THEY CAN MAKE A PROFIT,after introducing Pegus wich wasted THOUSANDS if not millions of money ,they have money for a pay rise.

Also their latest crazy idea 2 men and a van and a bike in cases ,how much will that cost.
Also how about all the Posties who worked delivering in the snow ,not just turning up for work and sitting in a nice office,but out their in very dangeruos conditions.

Personaly I AM DREADING THE SUMMER,most days we are not allowed out till 10am so working in the hottest part of the day and no pay rise.
RM could save loads of money if looked in the right direction ,HOW MANY MANAGERS DOES IT TAKE TO RUN A OFFICE,Do you really need a manager just in charge of Coffe machine etc.

A Pay freeze is a pay cut,yet we are seeing more and more demands placed upon us ,and whilst we have quiet days ,the volume of letters and packets we are shifting now has never been greater.You can choose what ever figures you want but see how many drop bags you have now compared to previous.
What about today,was Saturday so quiet ,because RM is loosing so much mail volumes or was Saturday the once really quiet day of the week now similar to any other day?
But have to say think media would be on RM side

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Yes, much to add. Stop whinging and be thankful you're employed. I have friends both employed and self-employed with families that have either seen their jobs go or wages slashed. Pay freeze is not the end of the world or is this just royalmailwhinge and nothing else? Lighten up.

Yet you moan about the members and attitudes of this forum all the the time so if the sauce is good for the gander it should be alright for the goose.

Actually I wish you would stop telling people to stop complaining this is a forum to discuss views and part of that means people will complain or whinge if they didn't there would not be much going on would there.

[Lounge Lizard]

A cut in hours would be acceptable to me in lieu of a pay increase, though in our MC a load of sorters have something called 'Time Option Bonus' (t.o.b) so already only do 38.5 hrs p.w! - that might complicate matters!

But a cut in hours equates to an increase in our hourly rate which will only give RM an excuse for a pay freeze or similar next year.

[Night Tonic]

Night Tonic.
You seem to be unable to interpret english correctly.

I am not "whinging" about the pay freeze - we should be told first before the media; basic manners and respect.

Be grateful to have a job eh. Royal Mail should also be grateful to have employers that stick the job out for years. Agency workers cost more money. People leaving after a few months cost Royal mail more money (new uniforms, costs of recruiting etc).

get back to reading the Daily Express

And who do you think fed it to the media?? The CWU did. Take it up with them. If you have to complain, complain about something worthwhile. Why should we be entitled to a wage rise when most have theirs frozen or reduced and sorry TBT I DON'T say people should not complain but on this one I stand firm and if it goes against others viewpoints then so be it. Or am I not entitled to have a viewpoint other than that expressed by rank and file (whatever that is these days).

As for Dave Ward, he can shout all he likes and dust off his flask and bobble hat if he likes but it will make no odds. None.