INDUSTRIAL ACTION PLAN:STRIKE DATES!!

[Turpin]

Anybody else hissed right off !
The Usual faces have started useing there cars,coming in early gets on your S hagging T its, moaning about later starts and 2.5 % but still willing to work for about 2-3 hours for sod all and drive them selve around a bloody delivery get a fu##ing grip. SOMEBODY TAKE CONTROL! If in the interview the DUM or DIM whatever said oh by the way you need your own car and petrol money and we require you to work for Sod All about 3 hours a week you tell him where to get off. Somebody Some Where Lets Get The Show Rolling !

[billypants]

Anybody else hissed right off !
The Usual faces have started useing there cars,coming in early gets on your S hagging T its, moaning about later starts and 2.5 % but still willing to work for about 2-3 hours for sod all and drive them selve around a bloody delivery get a fu##ing grip. SOMEBODY TAKE CONTROL! If in the interview the DUM or DIM whatever said oh by the way you need your own car and petrol money and we require you to work for Sod All about 3 hours a week you tell him where to get off. Somebody Some Where Lets Get The Show Rolling !

that "somebody somewhere" you mention has got to be YOU . . . . . we gotta stop waiting for someone else to sort things out for us and start behaving like the big grown up boys and girls we are . . . . . . don't keep shouting "when will the union do something for us" coz we are the union . . . . . time to stand up for what you believe . . . . . . put your money where your mouth is or just bend over and get ready for the shafting of a lifetime

[dvbuk55]

Anybody else hissed right off !
The Usual faces have started useing there cars,coming in early gets on your S hagging T its, moaning about later starts and 2.5 % but still willing to work for about 2-3 hours for sod all and drive them selve around a bloody delivery get a fu##ing grip. SOMEBODY TAKE CONTROL! If in the interview the DUM or DIM whatever said oh by the way you need your own car and petrol money and we require you to work for Sod All about 3 hours a week you tell him where to get off. Somebody Some Where Lets Get The Show Rolling !

that "somebody somewhere" you mention has got to be YOU . . . . . we gotta stop waiting for someone else to sort things out for us and start behaving like the big grown up boys and girls we are . . . . . . don't keep shouting "when will the union do something for us" coz we are the union . . . . . time to stand up for what you believe . . . . . . put your money where your mouth is or just bend over and get ready for the shafting of a lifetime

Well you are right - after the 8th October later starts meeting today all I heard was "what are the union doing" well no one from head office was there and they meekly filed in and filed out again - so you're right to say that many are the architects of their own downfall - the few of us who will stand up are peeing in the wind.

[mitzi]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.
it seems to me that CWU HQ are quite happy to go along with the imposition of later starts because it absolves them of any responsibility for the unpopularity of a later finish time, particularly with regard to saturday.

[IWW Fellow Worker]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.
it seems to me that CWU HQ are quite happy to go along with the imposition of later starts because it absolves them of any responsibility for the unpopularity of a later finish time, particularly with regard to saturday.

As I mentioned in another thread, I contacted HQ weeks ago about this and have heard nothing since. The CWU bosses are obviously in favour of them. Another example of them being out of touch and out of step with the rank and file. Go on Billy! Don't slam the door on the way out.

[The Inspector]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.
it seems to me that CWU HQ are quite happy to go along with the imposition of later starts because it absolves them of any responsibility for the unpopularity of a later finish time, particularly with regard to saturday.

I want to believe - that HQ are seeking such advice. Look at the ambiguous wording of some of 'The Way Forward'! It is a cold - hard fact that R.M. 'Lawyers' - were better than ours. The one - & only communication - that my area rep has had with me - was a text saying that HQ will reveal all - next week. I pray that the delay - is HQ's wish - to get it right - this time!

[dvbuk55]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.
it seems to me that CWU HQ are quite happy to go along with the imposition of later starts because it absolves them of any responsibility for the unpopularity of a later finish time, particularly with regard to saturday.

I want to believe - that HQ are seeking such advice. Look at the ambiguous wording of some of 'The Way Forward'! It is a cold - hard fact that R.M. 'Lawyers' - were better than ours. The one - & only communication - that my area rep has had with me - was a text saying that HQ will reveal all - next week. I pray that the delay - is HQ's wish - to get it right - this time!

I don't think these muppets could get it right if it was writ large in huge capitals on tablets of stone and handed to them by a guy in a white robe, beard and long hair.

Nope - you can bet your arse they'd be riding the golden calf to market! Maybe swapping it for five magic beans on the way!

[billypants]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.

how do you know they haven't sought this advice . . . . . . . . . perhaps they are doing a fantastic job and doing everything they possibly can . . . but I will agree that they need to be communicating more with their members . . . . . come on CWU let us know the full, up to date story

[The Inspector]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.

how do you know they haven't sought this advice . . . . . . . . . perhaps they are doing a fantastic job and doing everything they possibly can . . . but I will agree that they need to be communicating more with their members . . . . . come on CWU let us know the full, up to date story

Yeah - well said matey. I am assured that - wheels are grinding BUT a bit of info - surely would not show our hand - or break the bank. I cannot motivate my members unless given something. I'm just guessing & blagging - at prez! I will never - go to heaven!

[dvbuk55]

can anybody tell me why CWU HQ have not sought legal advice regarding later starts?.

how do you know they haven't sought this advice . . . . . . . . . perhaps they are doing a fantastic job and doing everything they possibly can . . . but I will agree that they need to be communicating more with their members . . . . . come on CWU let us know the full, up to date story

Yeah - well said matey. I am assured that - wheels are grinding BUT a bit of info - surely would not show our hand - or break the bank. I cannot motivate my members unless given something. I'm just guessing & blagging - at prez! I will never - go to heaven!

You should neither need to guess nor blag - we should have had someone specifically designated as liaison from HQ whose sole purpose was to get the information to the membership either directly or via the branch.

Something tells me we'll be getting e mails about the strike action dates and times but what we really need to know is what the f**k RM have waiting in the wings, what the talks achieved, what we are going to do about the later starts, our legal position should we refuse, what are our objectives - ( apart from keeping the present incumbents in a nice cushy job in London - that's a given).

WHAT ARE WE DOING?????????

[BOPPA]

ROYAL MAIL CAN'T WIN THIS BATTLE BUT THE CWU CAN LOOSE IT.

[davepat]

Going on from that brothermagrew

Flexible attendances
People will flex their attendances daily when reqyired by up to two hrs a day- for start/finish times.

Phase1
People will work different hrs on different days of the week to reflect the normal workload patterns in their office and different hrs in the winter and summer to reflect the seasonal changes in volumes. we will introduce mor flexible employment contracts to support a range of new approaches such as seasonal and term time working and offer a wider range of attendance options designed to meet the different needs of our people and the business.

From 1st Oct 2007

permanent adjustments to individual or groups of attendances made:
reasons for change explained and clearly communicated by managers
7 days notice provided +/-2hrs to start and finish
individual diffulculties discussed and sorted on case by case basis

Different lengths of attendances on differing days of week:
based on workload and forcast
Attendance balanced weekly [40 hrs]
things we could consider are 4 day working week, 9 day fortnights, 5weeks on and 1 week of etc.

Phase 2
Once we have the appropriate systems in place we will introduce banked or annulised hrs, which allow us all to be part of a modern, dynamic and flexible business. People will work fewer hrs in the summer and during quiet periods and more hrs during busy periods such as christmas and spring and autumn pressure. To affilitate the introduction of annualised hrs we will migrate to monthly pay by March 2008.

Annualised hrs will be phased in from april 2008

[brothermagrew]

You davepat tis it you! Are you still doing the Health and Safety in your neck of the woods? Have you usurped ma crystal ball or have ya got a hold off the Pay and Modernisation Agreement - version 1.

[goinpostal]

Going on from that brothermagrew

you guys know something we don't??? sounds very scary, i cant wait to tell the folks at work

rolling strikes just mean crossing picket lines and then everyone falls out over the inevitable walk-outs.

Why not do what the RMT did? 3 days out, then 4 days, then all -out. and throw in a work to rule why not, with that level of strike action it would be completely doable. As the focus on its own it would never work.

[morrrany]

Have heard from a very good source of mine the following with regards to Industrial Action Plan.

1. PEC will require some time to go back to members, hold briefings and branch meetings.

2. Proposed 24hour strike on 25th September followed by rolling programme of functional action.

3. Relaunch *doing your job properly" campaign 17th September.

How effective was the last "doing your job properly" campaign - well in our office the take up was as rare as rocking horse s**t.

It's time the union stopped protecting its own backside and started protecting ours. Stuff the PC legal crap - we stand to lose this fight by being far too complacent as a leadership which breeds complacency on the shop floor.

We had what I presume was a WTL this morning where the Manager announced that later start times would begin on October 8th - and the response from the shop floor - "hey ho is the coffee machine working?".

I'm glad I'm the age I am because a couple of years down the line and you will be reading meters, riding rickshaws, delivering pizzas, blockbuster videos and sweeping the streets.

The "shop floor" is the union, its up to them if they really want the union to stop these ridiculous proposals they must start to do their jobs properly and speak up against the latest proposals