Postal workers, writing in an online forum

[MickR]

Roll on tomorrow and all the chaos it shall bring.......

Bet the plonkas who came up these new ideas on start times etc didn`t work in what`s going to happen at christmas time when DO`s are in undated with unsorted/pre preped mail

Then again they probably did and just expect all the t!ts to go in as per usual and do it for free by ghosting hrs

Well not this postie thats for sure

I welcome the Postwatch investigation,it may at last put to the sword the ridiculous "25% overpaid, 40% underworked" rubbish. Fact: posties are fed up with being expected to complete delivery whatever the volume of mail, weather etc, when following the laid down rules in the conduct code for "Cutting off" they are treated at best like nuisances, at worst like parasites!! Most management treat members like something they have found at the bottom of their shoe. We are sick and tired of being expected to do overlong deliveries(4hrs +) whilst waiting for management to stop pratting about with Pegasus and realign walks to realistic spans (What was that about 12th of never?!).One final point, whether working in the city or in a factory, the majority of workers have a set start and finish time after which they may work overtime if they wish (assuming there is any overtime available) but have the right to gome home at the scheduled finish time if they so wish, with no duress placed upon them if they exercise that right. Compare that with the "Cutting off" scenario portrayed above and in the Telegraph article, why should posties be treated differently? Because we provide an important service? Perhaps some should tell that to Leighton and Crozier, and for that matter Gordon Brown! Postwatch and Postcomm would do better to investgigate RM's real reasons for moving to later starts, I am convinced it has little to do with 56mph speed limits, after all this only applies when the vehicle is on a Motorway, and with traffic conditions on Motorways these days it would be lucky to reach 70mph!!! I believe RM's true reason for a move to later starts has more to do with the forthcoming walk sequencing machines and the lack of manual sorting this will cause, but if so why not be honest about it? Who knows? I like the majority of posties like to complete my round for my "customers" but I am not willing to be treated like s*^t for much longer and can see myself joining the ever growing band of "Cutter offers"!! Telegraph take note!

Well said!

Isn't the speed limit for HGV 60mph for the motorway Anyway?

Absolutely right!! I stand corrected, I checked it out and found the info at this website, http://www.ukmotorists.com/speed%20limits.asp But this raises an interesting point, RM's reasons for the later starts are now shown for what they really are, a tissue of lies!! Which begs the question, what the hell were the CWU thinking of when they accepted this load of tripe? A complete capitulation, all for "Grandfather rights" a complete disgrace!!! I urge all reps and members who feel strongly enough to do what I intend to do, and place a motion to their branch's AGM to move and/or support a vote of no confidence at conference in the National officers and PEC members for their part in this total shambles. We cannot stand by and let them get away with this, otherwise they will think they have done a good job.

[stephen500]

I'm cutting off on a daily basis for several reasons.

1) They deliberately banned overtime after the strikes so obviously delivering mail is not a priority but punishing staff is.
2) They will soon try to introduce 'optional' flexible working. If I cut off then I have a history of not being able to work after my time, hence they can't reasonably ask me to.
3) They pay me the minimum regular income they can and then expect me to beg for overtime for a decent wage.
4) Overtime is at a lower rate and does not include pension contributions.

I am not being awkward, I will agree to moderate 'longs and shorts' but they can forget me being on call for an hour each day and held to ransom by overtime.

And don't forget that they owe you that 30 mins, so just when will you get it back?


30 Mins a day not 60 mins and the 40 hour week is still in place

[postie28]

What the telegraph are saying is that we should be staying out there all afternoon to complete our walks.

If you keep going over your time as the work increases and through new building growth being added to walks you will be doing this more and more until the 9 10 and eventually 12 hour days will become the norm.

Previously we used to gain one to two hours per day and now we are more or less working to time,so does anybody think it will stop there?
Of course it won't,the government and management won't be happy until we are working 12 hour days every day until we are on the point of collapse so you have all been warned as the 8 hour day was fought for for a reason and who does crozier think he is by trying to take that away from us.

most security firms have 12 hr shifts , it's cheaper .some railway companies do it in the name of flexibility , so the staff just join better companies . The Tory idea to break ASLEF & RMT backfired .

That's typical Resources Management it's a "development " of macho management , the idea is you show "loyalty & commitment " by working overtime and you report everything that the "dreadful union " are doing to management & reps get "managed" out of the door .

I've had " you CAN go home after 14 hrs " and all the verbal bullying to cover their sorry a*** when they cock up in Security . It got to the stage that I let the answering machine take all the calls and only intercepted calls from family & friends etc .

RM's "answer " is the it will & it must be 60/40 % with partimers , treat em mean & keep em keen for docket .

thought it was european law that unless you sign opt out form you cannot work more than 48 hrs per week

[norbet colon]

What the telegraph are saying is that we should be staying out there all afternoon to complete our walks.

If you keep going over your time as the work increases and through new building growth being added to walks you will be doing this more and more until the 9 10 and eventually 12 hour days will become the norm.

Previously we used to gain one to two hours per day and now we are more or less working to time,so does anybody think it will stop there?
Of course it won't,the government and management won't be happy until we are working 12 hour days every day until we are on the point of collapse so you have all been warned as the 8 hour day was fought for for a reason and who does crozier think he is by trying to take that away from us.

most security firms have 12 hr shifts , it's cheaper .some railway companies do it in the name of flexibility , so the staff just join better companies . The Tory idea to break ASLEF & RMT backfired .

That's typical Resources Management it's a "development " of macho management , the idea is you show "loyalty & commitment " by working overtime and you report everything that the "dreadful union " are doing to management & reps get "managed" out of the door .

I've had " you CAN go home after 14 hrs " and all the verbal bullying to cover their sorry a*** when they cock up in Security . It got to the stage that I let the answering machine take all the calls and only intercepted calls from family & friends etc .

RM's "answer " is the it will & it must be 60/40 % with partimers , treat em mean & keep em keen for docket .

thought it was european law that unless you sign opt out form you cannot work more than 48 hrs per week

it's "supposed " to be voluntary , I've had a resources manager , Sheffield & Writing Room Manager onto me about it .

What the Security firm did was roster you for 6 X 12 hrs , 15 Minute unpaid Handover Time each day spread over two weeks , so on paper it looked like a 48 hr week .Also you only got 48hrs pay per week .

Pay was then £ 2.40 per hour + site allowance to £3.15 ph , on AL you only got £2.40 p.h. Many used to get the Holiday pay & work during their annual leave . Security was ? a flexibility case under WTR .

The WTR was a very watered down version of the orginal EEC Social Chapter version ,for New Labour to be "business friendly " .The Tories would have it even more watered down /repealed .

I'd to work 14 hrs as their was no relief on the night shift , you "had" to show commitment to the cause , otherwise there was a danger of them losing the contract and being put on the dole .

[k979aaa]

I'm cutting off on a daily basis for several reasons.

1) They deliberately banned overtime after the strikes so obviously delivering mail is not a priority but punishing staff is.
2) They will soon try to introduce 'optional' flexible working. If I cut off then I have a history of not being able to work after my time, hence they can't reasonably ask me to.
3) They pay me the minimum regular income they can and then expect me to beg for overtime for a decent wage.
4) Overtime is at a lower rate and does not include pension contributions.

I am not being awkward, I will agree to moderate 'longs and shorts' but they can forget me being on call for an hour each day and held to ransom by overtime.

30 Mins a day not 60 mins and the 40 hour week is still in place

Question how would the thirty minnute's flexibility work esp at the end of the working week?

[smokerjim]

I'm cutting off on a daily basis for several reasons.

1) They deliberately banned overtime after the strikes so obviously delivering mail is not a priority but punishing staff is.
2) They will soon try to introduce 'optional' flexible working. If I cut off then I have a history of not being able to work after my time, hence they can't reasonably ask me to.
3) They pay me the minimum regular income they can and then expect me to beg for overtime for a decent wage.
4) Overtime is at a lower rate and does not include pension contributions.

I am not being awkward, I will agree to moderate 'longs and shorts' but they can forget me being on call for an hour each day and held to ransom by overtime.

30 Mins a day not 60 mins and the 40 hour week is still in place

Question how would the thirty minnute's flexibility work esp at the end of the working week?

RM's attitude to the agreement is "Heads we win, tails you lose!"

[k979aaa]

I'm cutting off on a daily basis for several reasons.

1) They deliberately banned overtime after the strikes so obviously delivering mail is not a priority but punishing staff is.
2) They will soon try to introduce 'optional' flexible working. If I cut off then I have a history of not being able to work after my time, hence they can't reasonably ask me to.
3) They pay me the minimum regular income they can and then expect me to beg for overtime for a decent wage.
4) Overtime is at a lower rate and does not include pension contributions.

I am not being awkward, I will agree to moderate 'longs and shorts' but they can forget me being on call for an hour each day and held to ransom by overtime.

30 Mins a day not 60 mins and the 40 hour week is still in place

Question how would the thirty minnute's flexibility work esp at the end of the working week?

RM's attitude to the agreement is "Heads we win, tails you lose!"

And this is why we all must keep our focus and not lose sight of the big picture!. For while we all work merrily away over the christmas period the edict's will come from merrily upon high!. AND I FOR ONE WILL NOT HAVE MY HEAD UP MY TAIL!.

[bandit650]

The big problem is the firm has come up with a load of bull so now it is reaping what it has sown the silly prats who reckon they can run this company are so use to telling lies that they have forgotten how to tell the truth,so here it is for all you tory rag owners,the delivery staff now do as we have been forced to do and work to thier time the deliverys are far to big and have to much work on them the staff use to run with good will but now thats gone,they dont cut of they work to thier time,you cannot be forced to work O/T and you can only work 48hrs a week max that is law if you want to work more you have to opt out and just a little more info if you did'nt keep cutting back and making people unemployed you would have the job being done,in my office staff go home on time and wont do O/T because they are fed up with the DUM threatening the staff to make them do the job without O/T you keep beating people with a black stick they get fed up with it and bite back,if you put bugget before everything else and keep telling people they dont work hard enough you get it back in the eye in the end.

[DirtyHarry]

The big problem is the firm has come up with a load of bull so now it is reaping what it has sown the silly prats who reckon they can run this company are so use to telling lies that they have forgotten how to tell the truth,so here it is for all you tory rag owners,the delivery staff now do as we have been forced to do and work to thier time the deliverys are far to big and have to much work on them the staff use to run with good will but now thats gone,they dont cut of they work to thier time,you cannot be forced to work O/T and you can only work 48hrs a week max that is law if you want to work more you have to opt out and just a little more info if you did'nt keep cutting back and making people unemployed you would have the job being done,in my office staff go home on time and wont do O/T because they are fed up with the DUM threatening the staff to make them do the job without O/T you keep beating people with a black stick they get fed up with it and bite back,if you put bugget before everything else and keep telling people they dont work hard enough you get it back in the eye in the end.

Well said, mate.

[MickR]

Never mind the Telegraph, just got this article from mny branch which is from the Daily Mail, must say I agree with a lot of Postwatch's comments, certainly an interesting read

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

[TrueBlueTerrier]

Never mind the Telegraph, just got this article from mny branch which is from the Daily Mail, must say I agree with a lot of Postwatch's comments, certainly an interesting read

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/a ... ge_id=1770

Read it first at Royal Mail Chat

http://www.royalmailchat.co.uk/forum/vi ... alth#89063

[Spedley]

30 minutes before your shift starts and 30 minutes after it ends = 1 hour per day.

[k979aaa]

30 minutes before your shift starts and 30 minutes after it ends = 1 hour per day.

Yes i fear you may be right for haveing looked at page 7 of the copy of the "agreement" that came with the ballot form (page 7 variation of hour's)!. FOR THIS "AGREEMENT" IS FULL OF AMBIGUITY IT MUST BE FOUGHT TOOTH AND NAIL FOR IF WE FAIL IT WILL BE THE END OF US ALL!.