European union ruling

[UNION JACK]

maybe people like you dont belong in society !! who gives you the right to have the morale highground.Last i heard britain was a free country and everyone has a right to there own views and for them to be respected even the strike breakers. Remember the bullying and harrassment help line,its to protect people from the likes of you.Well you dont intimidate me

[UNION JACK]

SAME GOES FOR YOU TO!!!!!!!

[TrueBlueTerrier]

I have to say although I disagree with most of what the BNP say I think anyone who wants to be a member of the union should be allowed to be. Its their own personal beliefs that should count.

Unless they do something that is either explicitly against the Union or against the spirit of what the Union stands for then they should be allowed. One thing you can guarantee with exclusion is that it entrenches views and segregates people. If BNP members are allowed to stay in the Union at least we have a chance to change their politics. If we exclude them then we have no chance and perhaps, although not literally, but figuratively, they can tar themselves as martyrs for their cause.

Also how many CWU members are also Labour Party members. With the Labour Party in the form of the Government apparently working against us, some Party members disagree with their actions but stay within the party. In other words not every party member believes in everything their party does and I am sure BNP members are exactly the same.

Before anyone thinks I am a BNP supporter I am not, their views are an anathema to me and I personally feel that when that party and all forms of Nationalistic parties are gone from the Political landscape of this country and the world in general, it will be a better place. But as a supporter of Democracy and free speech I think everyone is entitled to their own views no matter how abhorrent or misguided they are to me personally.

[BELIAL]

Bet most of them are 'british'

[pinstripe]

That's the great thing about this country. Freedom. Here we have the freedom to express our views, the freedom to condemn the government, not only privately, but in public. OK, there's not much we can actually do, we either vote or not, it's up to the individual if they believe it makes a difference. My concern is that would 'extremist' political parties first action, if they ever achieved any sort of power, be to remove or reduce the freedom we have, or the freedom of a certain race, colour ethnic origin etc. Nazi Germany springs to mind.
I'm not limiting my reservations to the BNP but also any organisation which preaches hate. Before anyone denies this, when I was a lot younger I actually attended a BNP meeting (with someone I thought was a friend) and to say I was disgusted at what I heard is an understatement. However, as I've said before, they have the right to speak, we have the right to ignore them.

[UNION JACK]

WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[norbet colon]

I have to say although I disagree with most of what the BNP say I think anyone who wants to be a member of the union should be allowed to be. Its their own personal beliefs that should count.

Unless they do something that is either explicitly against the Union or against the spirit of what the Union stands for then they should be allowed. One thing you can guarantee with exclusion is that it entrenches views and segregates people. If BNP members are allowed to stay in the Union at least we have a chance to change their politics. If we exclude them then we have no chance and perhaps, although not literally, but figuratively, they can tar themselves as martyrs for their cause.

Also how many CWU members are also Labour Party members. With the Labour Party in the form of the Government apparently working against us, some Party members disagree with their actions but stay within the party. In other words not every party member believes in everything their party does and I am sure BNP members are exactly the same.

Before anyone thinks I am a BNP supporter I am not, their views are an anathema to me and I personally feel that when that party and all forms of Nationalistic parties are gone from the Political landscape of this country and the world in general, it will be a better place. But as a supporter of Democracy and free speech I think everyone is entitled to their own views no matter how abhorrent or misguided they are to me personally.

There's just as objectionable Religon Based movements -the best comment I read in Brian Reade's column was that both GlassEyed Nick & Captain Hook should be in the same dock together -probably deserve each other

[IWW Fellow Worker]

SAME GOES FOR YOU TO!!!!!!!

At least I can type in reasonable English.

[L Tommo]

Theres some great points for both sides...

SPLINTERS IN ARSE ON FENCE!!!



FREE SPEECH IS FOR ALL..... END OF!!

[L Tommo]

Wot i hate.... IS.......

PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE WILDS OF THE COUNTRY AND SPOUT ABOUT RACISM AND HATERED...

THEY LIVE IN A DETATCHED COTTAGE IN THE STICKS WITH 2.3 CHILDREN A DOG AND A MORGAGE AND NEVER WITNESS HATRED FROM ALL SIDES IN SOCIETY.. Live in a BIG comopolitan city and see the way all peoples act... its a rat race and the establishment want it this way... Deviding any peoples is wrong... But if a party or movement want a 2 tier society then it will cause problems also... NATIVE BRITS should be looked after 1st in my book.. People who put into these lands.... NOT people who want a hand out... It will still cause debate and problems but this is fair...

It comes from up top, Goverment want it so they win votes with race an issue.. Liebour did it... Cons did it... The NF did it... IT DONT WORK...

PREJUDICE IS A NON COLOUR ISSUE.. ITS WRONG ANYWAY.... But the so called middle class/student/doogooders who want a clean sweep of this country and any opinions that dont fit into there way of thinking... I mention these brackets of people because they cause the devide,,, THEY make a pigion hole so people can slip into it... Well it dont work that way!!! WE ALL HAVE OUR RIGHTS....

BAN SOMETHING AND THEN IT GOES UNDERGROUND AND THEN COMES BACK TO BITE YA!!!

OUT

[pcb]

L Tommo you are a class warrior! As for the BNP being a legitimate party you are quite right just like the British Union of Facsists were in the 30's. By the way I beleive the quickest way to divide the workers is sectarianism, racism, sexism, nationalism, alienation. Ignore the Facsists and they go away don't think so! We must root them out wherever they are and confront them. A worker is a worker no matter what colour, race, religion, sex. The BNP policies divide the workers and take our eyes of the big picture which is the likes of Crozier and Leighton taking money out of our back pocket.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

After a bit of research on BNP, fascism and Nazism I present the following definitions and articles

http://encyclopedia2.tfd.com/fascism

fascism (făsh`ĭzəm), totalitarian philosophy of government that glorifies the state and nation and assigns to the state control over every aspect of national life. The name was first used by the party started by Benito Mussolini Mussolini, Benito, who ruled Italy from 1922 until the Italian defeat in World War II. However, it has also been applied to similar ideologies in other countries, e.g., to National Socialism National Socialism or Nazism, doctrines and policies of the National Socialist German Workers' party, which ruled Germany under Adolf Hitler from 1933 to 1945. in Germany and to the regime of Francisco Franco Franco, Francisco (fränthēs`kō fräng`kō), 1892–1975, Spanish general and caudillo [leader].in Spain. The term is derived from the Latin fasces fasces (făs`ēz) [Lat.,=bundles], ancient Roman symbol of the regal and later the magisterial authority.

http://www.tfd.com/Nazism

Na·zism (nätszm, nt-) also Na·zi·ism (-s-zm)
n.
The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy.

http://encyclopedia.tfd.com/British+National+Party

According to its constitution, the BNP is "committed to stemming and reversing the tide of non-white immigration and to restoring, by legal changes, negotiation and consent the overwhelmingly white makeup of the British population that existed in Britain prior to 1948." The BNP proposes "firm but voluntary incentives for immigrants and their descendants to return home." It advocates the repeal of all anti-discrimination legislation, and restricts party membership to "indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous Caucasian’".

The party accepts white people with non-British ancestry if they are assimilated into one of the British ethnicities. The BNP believes that there are significant biological racial differences that determine the behaviour and character of individuals. The party asserts that preference for one's own ethnicity is a part of human nature. Historically, under John Tyndall's leadership, the BNP had strong anti-Semitic tendencies, but in recent times, the BNP has tended to focus on Muslims as its main adversary. The party has publicly said that they do not consider Hindus and Sikhs to be any threat, although the BNP doesn't accept practicing Sikhs and Hindus as culturally or ethnically British. The BNP has even worked with anti-Muslim Sikh groups.

[pcb]

So how long do you have to live here to become British historically thinking, please bear in mind Anglo saxons stem from europe. My family have lost members in the first and second world war and are Irish, I also have served for this country and the blokes I served with came from all over the place, so, please explain your version of British Nationalism, my version is proud to be British and all those who live in this country and pay taxes are entitled to live here without being subjected to discrimination by Facsists or Nazies or bigoted BNP members.

[TrueBlueTerrier]

So how long do you have to live here to become British historically thinking, please bear in mind Anglo saxons stem from europe. My family have lost members in the first and second world war and are Irish, I also have served for this country and the blokes I served with came from all over the place, so, please explain your version of British Nationalism, my version is proud to be British and all those who live in this country and pay taxes are entitled to live here without being subjected to discrimination by Facsists or Nazies or bigoted BNP members.

I only posted the above for everyone's enlightenment as someone questioned definition of fascism and I find the BNP completely at odds with what I believe. To answer your question though they are so kind (?) as to have posted their constitution on the Internet and Section 2 Para 2 says

2) The indigenous British ethnic groups deriving from the class of ‘Indigenous
Caucasian’ consist of members of: i) The Anglo-Saxon Folk Community; ii) The Celtic
Scottish Folk Community; iii) The Scots-Northern Irish Folk Community; iv) The
Celtic Welsh Folk Community; v) The Celtic Irish Folk Community; vi) The Celtic
Cornish Folk Community; vii) The Anglo-Saxon-Celtic Folk Community; viii) The
Celtic-Norse Folk Community; ix) The Anglo-Saxon-Norse Folk Community; x) The
Anglo-Saxon-Indigenous European Folk Community; xi) Members of these ethnic
groups who reside either within or outside Europe but ethnically derive from them.

However, the biggest flaw I can see in their argument is that, non Caucasians have been living in the UK at the very least since Roman times, when they were brought here either as slaves or auxiliaries, and if people where able to trace their family tree that far back, which country would they return them to "by negotiation and consent" as part of their Political Objectives.

Of course with trade and movement of peoples going back as far as 20,000 years it is entirely possible that so called non-Caucasians have been living here for as long as that.

[F0zziebear]

Surely a prime example is that people who we think are completely British turn out to be full of foreign blood within a few generations.

I only know one person I gre up with who can date his family back to 1066. Admittedly I haven't checked out everyone I have encountered, but most are probably only 4-5 generations British. If you want your white enclave of Britishness you will need to go to Marbaella as everyone true anglo-saxon Brit emigrated there or to Australia a long time ago.

If you are proud to be British and happy to wave a British flag abroad then you fit my definition of a lout! Only joking

F0zz