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F0zziebear
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re: View from a scumbag former manager

Post by F0zziebear »

This proposal would dramatically impact on those who have other jobs and set routines.

However, as pointed out by Norbet the regulator has asked for Royal Mail to more closely reflect it's costs and revenues. The only way to do this is to introduce flexi-time which matches expected volumes, which are quite highly predictable, and even more so using the latest technology available in the industry.

A couple of options:

1. The government backs down on liberalisation based on other country's dragging their heals
2. The regulator accepts that the speed of change is unrealistic without having an all out strike
3. The top mgmt at Royal Mail resigno n the grounds that what they are beign asked to do (via a £1.2bn) loan is unrealisitic i..e Mr Griffiths
4. Union goes out on indefinite strike

What I can tell you is that the competition will use flexi-time / staffing levels matching volumes if/when they introduce their own deliveries. This is how they are price competitive.

However, privatisation shwos us that customer quality from the reformed incumbent is usually better than what a new competitor can offer, except for cases such as Virgin. British Gas, BT etc... have generally managed to offer quality levels exceeding new competition, but all succumbed to privatisation eventually.

I don't envy anyone's position within RM at the moment be it frontline or mgmt at all levels, well possibly except marketing

Good luck F0zz
norbet colon
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Re: re: View from a scumbag former manager

Post by norbet colon »

F0zziebear wrote:This proposal would dramatically impact on those who have other jobs and set routines.

However, as pointed out by Norbet the regulator has asked for Royal Mail to more closely reflect it's costs and revenues. The only way to do this is to introduce flexi-time which matches expected volumes, which are quite highly predictable, and even more so using the latest technology available in the industry.

A couple of options:

1. The government backs down on liberalisation based on other country's dragging their heals
2. The regulator accepts that the speed of change is unrealistic without having an all out strike
3. The top mgmt at Royal Mail resigno n the grounds that what they are beign asked to do (via a £1.2bn) loan is unrealisitic i..e Mr Griffiths
4. Union goes out on indefinite strike

What I can tell you is that the competition will use flexi-time / staffing levels matching volumes if/when they introduce their own deliveries. This is how they are price competitive.RESPONSE TO FOZZIE BEAR ( THE SO CALLED SCUMBAG EX -MANAGER ) Before everybody jumps down my throat , I've seen longer hours ROSTERED in ,i.e. a ASLEF mate of mine works 10hr shifts then gets long weekends in the link or what RM would call a set ,effectively the hours are annualised but within a fixed period . What RM have planned isn't thought through properly ( well I never! ), this practice of giving people time in lieu was done in Supermarkets then Maccy D's started sending staff home when they were slack ,turned out the staff were effectively on £1 p.h. . With RM it's all very well holding people back to 11 or midnight in Processing/Distribution then telling the staff to come in 1/2 hrs later the next day . That won't work because there will be all the collections etc piled up with noone to deal with it , back to square one again, RM are good at turning things into farces . We'd cutbacks to get the industry ready for privatisation , with cutting to the bone ,quell surprise the overtime bill went up , the "solution "was 312 hrs divided by 8 to average at 39hrs . We lost 5 rest days over 9 weeks , Mgt's response as per usual was sniffy i.e. " Can you do any better ?" . (This is the game RM are playing with the CWU). . I'm sure people on this forum who've worked in similar industries will tell the same story. RM 's " cunning plan" is deliberately more draconian than with the RMT , usual short term kneejerk response to save money . Heaven forbid people might get sick of the 13hr shifts and RM would have a turnover problem!.To get the hourly rate down , LEIGHTON will try and outsource to Non-Union companies with no union recognition . It will be up to the CWU to recruit otherwise the CWU will be tarred with the only interested in RM & BT Brush.
BACK TO FOZZIE BEAR !
However, privatisation shwos us that customer quality from the reformed incumbent is usually better than what a new competitor can offer, except for cases such as Virgin. British Gas, BT etc... have generally managed to offer quality levels exceeding new competition, but all succumbed to privatisation eventually.

I don't envy anyone's position within RM at the moment be it frontline or mgmt at all levels, well possibly except marketing

Good luck F0zz
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trythat
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Post by trythat »

dvbuk55 wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:There's that 'our people' garbage again! George Orwell could take lessons from these scumbags. Someone should tell them this approach does not work. No one owns me, so I'm not one of their people. I do my job, no more and no less. They pay me, (after having taken a very large slice for themselves out of the mmoney I earn) and I go home. What sort of person sees him or herself as one of 'their people? Only a bloody moron would think in those terms.
Me too! I go to work, I do what I am asked to do within the hours and then I go home. I take off the uniform and my day is done. I don't come in early, I don't think I am Royal Mails property or anyone else's'. I used to enjoy working and that has been wherever I have worked including RM until a few years ago. Now I feel I am one of "those people" as opposed to one of "our people".
Toatally agree, that's exactly what a job means me as well
norbet colon
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Post by norbet colon »

trythat wrote:
dvbuk55 wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:There's that 'our people' garbage again! George Orwell could take lessons from these scumbags. Someone should tell them this approach does not work. No one owns me, so I'm not one of their people. I do my job, no more and no less. They pay me, (after having taken a very large slice for themselves out of the mmoney I earn) and I go home. What sort of person sees him or herself as one of 'their people? Only a bloody moron would think in those terms.
Me too! I go to work, I do what I am asked to do within the hours and then I go home. I take off the uniform and my day is done. I don't come in early, I don't think I am Royal Mails property or anyone else's'. I used to enjoy working and that has been wherever I have worked including RM until a few years ago. Now I feel I am one of "those people" as opposed to one of "our people".
Toatally agree, that's exactly what a job means me as well
- Don't fall for that fake Paternalisim -it's about as shallow as a tap-dancer's smile . L&C ,their Board and Senior Mgt are about as Paternal as Fred & Rose West !or Brady & Hindley. Staff are just numbers ,always have been , you get loyalty if you deserve it . these people would sell their arses in Woolie's Window for £10 , shop their own mates for the price of a pint and sell their own mothers to save their skins .
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frankie

Post by frankie »

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wont cross the line
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Post by wont cross the line »

WHY IS IT WHEN THERES JOB CUTS ITS ALWAYS THE POSTMEN/WOMEN NOT BOSSES 3 OR 4 OF THEM SIT AROUND AFTER 9.00PM IN DELIVERY OFFICE WHAT DO THEY DO
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Post by IWW Fellow Worker »

wont cross the line wrote:WHY IS IT WHEN THERES JOB CUTS ITS ALWAYS THE POSTMEN/WOMEN NOT BOSSES 3 OR 4 OF THEM SIT AROUND AFTER 9.00PM IN DELIVERY OFFICE WHAT DO THEY DO
This will cheer you up (well, it certainly cheered me up!), our DUM told me this morning how downhearted managers are becoming since they realised they won't be able to afford to retire at 60. He said they were starting to come around to the idea that RM will be after the managers very soon. He also said they don't get grandfather rights if their start times change. This is from a man I scarely speak to unless I have to, so they must be really down in the dumps. I'll wait and see if they're fired up enough not to scab during our strikes, but him and his chums aren't as cocky as they were a few weeks ago.
The Industrial Workers of the World. The union whose members never scab!

"The working class and the employing class have nothing in common."
ROCKY
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Post by ROCKY »

i am not anybodies people thank you very much i am my own person
DirtyHarry
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Post by DirtyHarry »

frankie wrote:
DirtyHarry wrote:"Our people", typical use of managerese, by the terminally nasty, like Leighton & Crozier. :roll: I suppose if they were to call us by our proper
title, workers, they'd break out in a rash. :Very Happy

I find it quite annoying that when the top brass write to us, they put, Dear whoever, Why? I don't know them and they don't know me, have'nt EVEN been introduced, and YET, they refer to me as one of their people, aghhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!! STOP IT!!! :evil/mad
Yeah, mate. I get a shiver down my spine when I get a "Dear Dirty" letter from those two arseholes. And as for being one of "Our people" , I'd sooner
snog next doors Rottweiler. :Very Happy
postie28
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Post by postie28 »

wont cross the line wrote:WHY IS IT WHEN THERES JOB CUTS ITS ALWAYS THE POSTMEN/WOMEN NOT BOSSES 3 OR 4 OF THEM SIT AROUND AFTER 9.00PM IN DELIVERY OFFICE WHAT DO THEY DO

they drink vast quantities of coffee and take turns " pleasuring " the dom
watch out. there may be a dom about
frankie

Post by frankie »

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dvbuk55
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Post by dvbuk55 »

ROCKY wrote:i am not anybodies people thank you very much i am my own person
Well so am I - although if the price was right................ OK girls form an orderly queue and have the money ready!!!! :nana
norbet colon
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WHY IS IT WITH JOB CUTS, IT'S THE POSTIES ? NOT THE BOSSES

Post by norbet colon »

IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
wont cross the line wrote:WHY IS IT WHEN THERES JOB CUTS ITS ALWAYS THE POSTMEN/WOMEN NOT BOSSES 3 OR 4 OF THEM SIT AROUND AFTER 9.00PM IN DELIVERY OFFICE WHAT DO THEY DO
This will cheer you up (well, it certainly cheered me up!), our DUM told me this morning how downhearted managers are becoming since they realised they won't be able to afford to retire at 60. He said they were starting to come around to the idea that RM will be after the managers very soon. He also said they don't get grandfather rights if their start times change. This is from a man I scarely speak to unless I have to, so they must be really down in the dumps. I'll wait and see if they're fired up enough not to scab during our strikes, but him and his chums aren't as cocky as they were a few weeks ago.
RM have wanted Super Doms using smaller Offices as clusters ,they'll downgrade the lineos jobs to Team Leaders , Leighton will give them bonuses to keep them onside with pro-longed IA but the CMA spent a long time trying to fight off , compulsory reapplying for their own jobs . Some are on Fixed Term Contracts subject to Alain's appraisals .Ideally Leighton will go for the Walmart model which is three layers , cutting out the "treacle " .Crozier stated a third of his managers were below average so they'll be surplus to requirements
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Post by Carla »

Leighton and crozier are both well below anyone cause they are useless twats and will stop at nothing to destroy the services, one thing though they will never stop people power
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Only pleasure i get in life is...... chocorgasms
dvbuk55
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Re: WHY IS IT WITH JOB CUTS, IT'S THE POSTIES ? NOT THE BOSS

Post by dvbuk55 »

norbet colon wrote:
IWW Fellow Worker wrote:
wont cross the line wrote:WHY IS IT WHEN THERES JOB CUTS ITS ALWAYS THE POSTMEN/WOMEN NOT BOSSES 3 OR 4 OF THEM SIT AROUND AFTER 9.00PM IN DELIVERY OFFICE WHAT DO THEY DO
This will cheer you up (well, it certainly cheered me up!), our DUM told me this morning how downhearted managers are becoming since they realised they won't be able to afford to retire at 60. He said they were starting to come around to the idea that RM will be after the managers very soon. He also said they don't get grandfather rights if their start times change. This is from a man I scarely speak to unless I have to, so they must be really down in the dumps. I'll wait and see if they're fired up enough not to scab during our strikes, but him and his chums aren't as cocky as they were a few weeks ago.
RM have wanted Super Doms using smaller Offices as clusters ,they'll downgrade the lineos jobs to Team Leaders , Leighton will give them bonuses to keep them onside with pro-longed IA but the CMA spent a long time trying to fight off , compulsory reapplying for their own jobs . Some are on Fixed Term Contracts subject to Alain's appraisals .Ideally Leighton will go for the Walmart model which is three layers , cutting out the "treacle " .Crozier stated a third of his managers were below average so they'll be surplus to requirements
What goes around,and it can't be too bloody quick for me .............. oh I'm getting excited at the prospect of seeing them squirm - when A & A have finished with the CWU the CMA will be like marshmallow.