PEC REPORT - UPDATE

[Edward Hunter]

I think we all know that this means 100% full time for London and 50/50 for everyone else.[/quote]


Royal mails plans for my office (in London btw) involve NO FT people on delivery duties The only FT positions will be indoor, sorting up the stuff the machines cant sequence, and then throwing in 3 walks each which part timers will deliver. To do this they will need to get about 70% of our current staff out the door completely, or buy down hours to part time (to join the delivery crew) All this was unveiled while talks on a new agreement are on -going.
I can see only 2 explanations either this is a cunning plan, so extreme, that ANY national agreement seems acceptable in comparison, or RM managers really are complete buffoons. Draw your own conclusions

In my opinion so many of our colleagues are still totally oblivious to whats comming round the corner this year, at least us on this board have some sort of idea. (thanks to postman and TBT for that)

[Big Daz]

In my opinion so many of our colleagues are still totally oblivious to whats comming round the corner this year, at least us on this board have some sort of idea. (thanks to postman and TBT for that)

Very True!!!!!

[dvbuk55]

A full time/part time ratio of 75/25% - is that a national average? or what? our office is already 60/40 - so are we going to get more hours in?

I think we all know that this means 100% full time for London and 50/50 for everyone else.

Well we don't know that yet BUT I wouldn't bet against your prediction.

[fishtank]

A full time/part time ratio of 75/25% - is that a national average? or what? our office is already 60/40 - so are we going to get more hours in?

I think we all know that this means 100% full time for London and 50/50 for everyone else.

Well we don't know that yet BUT I wouldn't bet against your prediction.

That's the big question.
Is it 75/25 overall or is it 75/25 in every office.
I'm sure it will be down to "Local Agreement"

[dvbuk55]

A full time/part time ratio of 75/25% - is that a national average? or what? our office is already 60/40 - so are we going to get more hours in?

I think we all know that this means 100% full time for London and 50/50 for everyone else.

Well we don't know that yet BUT I wouldn't bet against your prediction.

That's the big question.
Is it 75/25 overall or is it 75/25 in every office.
I'm sure it will be down to "Local Agreement"

Ah I see - we in the provinces are going to have to bear the brunt of part time hours so that others can prosper - so under the dingo plan of strong and weak offices and negotiations office 1 will have 90/10 and office 2 will have 60/40 which is only fair really because some offices deserve better conditions than others apparently.

[fishtank]

Well,Theoretically if every office requested a 75/25 split it would certainly place those offices with a 90/10 split in a delicate position.

"What do you mean we have to LOSE full-time positions,You promised.........".

[dvbuk55]

Well,Theoretically if every office requested a 75/25 split it would certainly place those offices with a 90/10 split in a delicate position.

"What do you mean we have to LOSE full-time positions,You promised.........".

You hit on a tangible problem for some areas who have a large proportion of full time posts - if the agreement is 75/25 perhaps we may be out on strike again

[fishtank]

To be serious again dvb i do believe there will be an agreement of sorts by the 22nd.
I think reading between the lines RM and the CWU are desperate to end this farcical merry-go-round.
If that means removing certain elements from the final agreement then that's what they will do.
It already looks like a new IR agreement has been put on the backburner.
I may be wrong but i think "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed" is a millstone around their necks.
And to anounce another extension would leave them looking foolish to say the least.
I may be wrong but only time will tell.

[Big Daz]

I concurr with fishtank, its a,matter of how much of the orignal plan/policy will be retained.

[DGP1]

Well,Theoretically if every office requested a 75/25 split it would certainly place those offices with a 90/10 split in a delicate position.

"What do you mean we have to LOSE full-time positions,You promised.........".

You hit on a tangible problem for some areas who have a large proportion of full time posts - if the agreement is 75/25 perhaps we may be out on strike again

Of course they could always do the old 75/25 split in duties but not the staff, this is what happens in my office (and has done for the past 5 years) just let the PTs book up to FT hours

[dvbuk55]

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So how much of this are we really going to get?

Could they really look any more foolish than they do now? Apart from the interim agreement, which was really a sop to call off the strikes prior to xmas, who thought that RM was about to change tac and agree a range of changes that have been in the air since 2007? The original timetable has already come and gone twice so what is the odds on yet another delay. According to the PEC update there are still insurmountable problems.

As an aside how many offices have people already in place making arrangements for the next round of cuts, I know we have. The longer the delay the more time RM has to commence the 2010 cuts and they are coming with or without agreement.

[fishtank]

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If you look at his face he is almost pleading.
I think that says it all.

[dvbuk55]

Well,Theoretically if every office requested a 75/25 split it would certainly place those offices with a 90/10 split in a delicate position.

"What do you mean we have to LOSE full-time positions,You promised.........".

You hit on a tangible problem for some areas who have a large proportion of full time posts - if the agreement is 75/25 perhaps we may be out on strike again

Of course they could always do the old 75/25 split in duties but not the staff, this is what happens in my office (and has done for the past 5 years) just let the PTs book up to FT hours

And yours is not the only one DGP. We have fortunately had a Rep return to our office who is looking into the unagreed staffing changes that have occurred in the last 3 years which has resulted in several part timers having to book overtime daily.

[BELIAL]

Well,Theoretically if every office requested a 75/25 split it would certainly place those offices with a 90/10 split in a delicate position.

"What do you mean we have to LOSE full-time positions,You promised.........".

You hit on a tangible problem for some areas who have a large proportion of full time posts - if the agreement is 75/25 perhaps we may be out on strike again

Of course they could always do the old 75/25 split in duties but not the staff, this is what happens in my office (and has done for the past 5 years) just let the PTs book up to FT hours

Same in my neck of the woods. Cut hours, cut full time jobs then get the work done on the cheap by getting PT staff to work over.
About time someone in our union did some fact finding and totted up the extra hours worked by PT staff paid and unpaid . Bet your life that would more than offset any projected job losses

[The truth!]

Reaching an agreement by 22nd January is still the target by all those involved.

However the talks have been hampered by the fact that two of Royal Mail"s lead negotiators who were frontng up the delivery talks and in charge of the processing talks were taken into hopstial last week, which meant that Steve Cameron Royal Mail"s other lead operations director was having to lead up two strands of the talks which slowed things down somewhat.

Progress has been made on a lot of issues but some major issues still remain including longer Saturdays, and the benefits package and the impact of workplan across the pipeline.

The union made a major mistake when we agreed to walk seqeuencing trails in that we never trialled the true impact in delivery units to anaylise the total impact instead we agreed that no hours or adjustments would be made in the delivery units so we have never trailled the impact of the new workplan.

None of the two recent trails trailled walk seqencing on Saturdays either so we dont have any experience of what it looks like but equally neither does Royal Mail.

Talks are going to be very intense this week as all sides want to reach agreement this week , what will be so important is whether Royal Mail have enough to offer in the way of benefits to convince the union that its a deal worth doing.

In my own view there will be a deal to put to the members whether it is next week or the following week there will be a deal. However dont be surprised if after all the unions best efforts that the union belive the deal is not good enough. If this is the case they will put it out to the membership for their vote recommending rejection.

Equally if they believe that the deal is good enough they will recommend for acceptance.

With regards to 75 / 25 full time to part time split , well if that is within any agreement then it is an improvement of the current national postion which is around 63% with a number of divisons well below 50%.

With regards to the merits of the interim agreement. well at the moment it has been succussful in resolving offices who had execuitive action in 2009 , it has resolved a lot of displine cases arising out of the dispute. The final measure of its sucuss will be if it allows for an agreement to be reached and whether that agreement is accepted by the membership.

It is likely to be a very intresting week ahead with our negotatiors confined to an hotel for two or three days.

The Union is playing hardball , they all know this is the biggest agreement in a generation and they will all be juduged on its contents. Equally Royal Mail are adamant that any deal must include walk sequencing on Saturdays and therefore will mean later Saturday finishes for delivery staff.