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Clocking In

16 Feb 2020, 18:00

Everyone, including the union, keeps banging on about posties coming in early and finishing early. Well im all for the union going for clocking in and out, ideally using their finger prints. That's the only way people will work till their time. Using any other method would leave the system open to abuse by managers. Come on union let's ride with this as the managers have no way of abusing this. Surely this system would have the DOMS shi#@ng themselves as there would be no more ghost overtime or coming in early for a start. What could Rico say about the union agreeing to there being no more charity workers comng in early. I don't know how to start a poll on here, but if someone does, get one started to see what posties thnk

Clocking In

16 Feb 2020, 19:44

how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

Clocking In

16 Feb 2020, 20:12

I heard they're doing a turn style-esk system, we're getting clocking in system installed April

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 15:34

gimba wrote:I heard they're doing a turn style-esk system, we're getting clocking in system installed April


that sounds great

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 15:55

gimba wrote:I heard they're doing a turn style-esk system, we're getting clocking in system installed April


how do you get the yorks out? we only have one entrance/exit apart from the fire escapes and only one gateway for the vans with no security barrier.

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 17:54

hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 17:57

DICKIEG wrote:
hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time


Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 18:08

That's fair enough, it will mean the jobs will have to be made more equal. And what will the runners gain by finishing early. As long as people learn if your paid for 5 hours work expect to work 5 hours.

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 18:23

leolion855 wrote:
DICKIEG wrote:
hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time


Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.


If it’s agreed beforehand.

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 20:20

leolion855 wrote:
DICKIEG wrote:
hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time


Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

Not necessarily, your duty start and finished time may be digitally registered with wages dept and paid accordingly.

Clocking In

17 Feb 2020, 22:56

I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 00:34

citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one


what are the yellow dots ? Do you mean if your going too slow it flags up or what ?

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 11:54

hero22 wrote:
citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one


what are the yellow dots ? Do you mean if your going too slow it flags up or what ?


Its when you're stood still/inactive for a certain amount of time. The longer you're inactive the larger the dot gets.

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 15:26

citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one
So they would want to dock your pay because a yellow dot has appeared on your PDA actuals. That could happen because you are waiting for someone to answer the door when delivering a parcel/recorded etc. Or will we be given a set time to wait before moving on. "Sorry mate you can't have your item now because you have exceeded the allowed door knocking waiting time, just follow the instructions on the 739 card, bye"

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 16:01

Marshamp11 wrote:
leolion855 wrote:
DICKIEG wrote:
hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time


Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

Not necessarily, your duty start and finished time may be digitally registered with wages dept and paid accordingly.


How does that work when your a reserve on a different route each day and possibly changed on the day due to 'operational needs'

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 16:04

citypostie wrote:I honestly can't understand why anyone would think clocking in/out would end up benefitting any of us. Don't you think that royal mail have realised that by bringing it in they could be giving people a reason to slow down and stop starting early for free with the knock on effects of people claiming more or cutting off? If this gets rolled out it will be a small part of a bigger plan that will include constant monitoring of how you are working during the hours you are paid. They surely can't be daft enough to just bring it in then let people either drag deliveries out to fill their hours or have people thinking they can work as slow as they want in order to clock off late and get paid it no questions asked! It isn't going to happen. At our gate meeting last week our area rep mentioned something new to me, that they want to automatically dock our pay for the yellow dots on the actuals , be interesting how they work that one


Typical scaremongering by the union, They are not going to dock for standing at a customers door for 2 minutes. If your having a half hour unauthorized break on the other hand..

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 16:39

leolion855 wrote:
DICKIEG wrote:
hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time


Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

I doubt it.All that’s gonna happen is You work for free for two hours then go home at 2pm or have two hours pay reduced

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 17:01

scoobydo79 wrote:
leolion855 wrote:
DICKIEG wrote:
hero22 wrote:how does a clocking in machine stop people coming in early, working at their frames for 30 mins then walking over and clocking in on their time ? Unless they install a security door at each office where u only get in by scanning in then it will change nothing

It doesn't stop them coming in early if they still want to, but it would mean they would have to stop to their time otherwise risk getting their pay docked or risk the Dom claiming back the time. The charity workers would soon start doing the job right and come in on time


Not quite if your hours are 9-2 but you come in 7-12 youve still done 5 hrs so would get paid it.

I doubt it.All that’s gonna happen is You work for free for two hours then go home at 2pm or have two hours pay reduced


ffs, if theres a record that youve been a work for x amount of time you will get paid for it, its against the bloody law to make people work for free in the uk. All youd have to do is show the record of your clocking in and out times to a solicitor and if the pay was wrong rm would be forced to cough up by the courts.

Stop worrying and scaremongering everyone, ive working in umpteen different factories where you clock in and out its pretty normal stuff for 90% of the country.

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 17:10

leolion855 wrote:
ffs, if theres a record that youve been a work for x amount of time you will get paid for it, its against the bloody law to make people work for free in the uk. All youd have to do is show the record of your clocking in and out times to a solicitor and if the pay was wrong rm would be forced to cough up by the courts.

So in theory we could all turn up 6 hours early for work, not do anything as no work would have arrived but because the clocking in machine said we were there the courts would force RM to pay us?
Somehow I don't think so.
Or you could turn up 6 hours early, work your contracted 5 hours and then go home an hour before you were due to start.
Bring it on.

Clocking In

18 Feb 2020, 17:19

My wife has clocked in & out at her job for over 20 years. A fingerprint system is also about to be introduced. If someone clocks more then approx 5 minutes different to start & finish times it is automatically flagged up to the manager who has to authorise the difference. Staff are then for example either paid overtime or asked to make up any shortfall. She finds it crazy we still sign in and out with a paper & pen.

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