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11 Jun 2007, 18:15

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Last edited by the undertaker on 23 Jun 2007, 12:52, edited 1 time in total.

11 Jun 2007, 18:31

What did you say John? Just about anything can be said to be 'incitement' if it suits them. Of course telling us were underworked and overpaid is incitement and when we're out on strike I doubt Crozier will think he had anything to do with it even though we all know he did.

11 Jun 2007, 18:34

Moved to ballot forum

11 Jun 2007, 19:23

I'M NOT SUPRISED TO HERE THIS JOHN. YOUR GAFFER SAYS HE HAS A FILE 1" THICK. HAVE YOU HAD A FACT FINDING INTERVIEW UNDER CONDUCT FOR THIS ALLEGED INCITMENT. DID HE SAY THIS TO YOU INFRONT OF A WITNESS. THREATENING YOU WITH THE SACK VERBALLY IS BULLYING. SPEAK TO YOUR LOCAL OR AREA REP ABOUT THIS ISSUE. I WOULD FILL IN THE B & H FORM TOMORROW. IF YOU HAVE WITNESSES OF HIM SPEAKING TO YOU IN THAT MANNER, GET A STATEMENT IN WRITNG (SIGNED)

DATA PROTECTION ACT

11 Jun 2007, 19:42

Write a letter to him asking him to pass the following request onto Royal Mail's Data Protection Compliance Manager (and send it Recorded Delivery!);

" I am formally submitting a Subject Access Request under the Data Protection Act and require Royal Mail to provide me with all information held on me within 40 days".

They can charge a fee - £10 - but must provide you with all info held on you with the exception of any legal advice. if they fail to provide you with info they later use against you, or fail to provide you with info held on you:

any disciplinary penalty will be seen to be unfair as they will have witheld evidence, something that is contra the principle of 'natural justice' i.e. a person must be told what he/she is being accused of;

you can lodge a formal complaint with the Information Commisioners office and RM can be fined.

11 Jun 2007, 20:11

SPOT ON CAPPAMORE ,GREAT ADVICE :Applause :Applause :Applause

11 Jun 2007, 20:48

What happen to freedom of speech?

This is another example of the Fear & Bullying tactic used by Management.

This Manager should be working for the Russian Goverment as a KGB Agent. :nana :nana

ps. No offence to the IWW

11 Jun 2007, 21:37

pillar box wrote:What happen to freedom of speech?

This is another example of the Fear & Bullying tactic used by Management.

This Manager should be working for the Russian Goverment as a KGB Agent. :nana :nana

ps. No offence to the IWW


That doesn't offend us in any way. We're all socialists, syndicalists and anarchists. That whole Bolshevik sell out and the tyranny perpetuated on the Russian working class by them has nothing in common with the IWW or anyone in Solidatity Federation, the Anarchist Federation or Class War Federation who also have members working for Royal Mail.

11 Jun 2007, 22:17

John it would help us here to know what you said. We can advise you better if we know what he is trying to catch you out on.

A DIRTY DIRTY TRICK!!!

12 Jun 2007, 00:28

Are you not surprised that RM will spy and bad mouth and lie about posties?? Do you recon We are free to chat about IA and work conditions ??? Do you think RM have screws put on this site just to stir and get info from any source#????
MMMMMMMM With 6000 of em away on gardening leave or used to make tea for Big AL n lil adam , arse wipers to the pink shirted one!! THEY MUST FIND EM SOMETHING TO DO???? MAYBE IM PARANOID????? :shock: :nervous :crazy:

But i dont trust em one bit!!!! Im not suggesting anyone should be the same. Its just the way THEY MAKE YA!!!!


(LAST BIT FOR THE GHOST SCREWS ON )


OUT

:wave :wave :wave :wave LETS ALL WAVE AT THE NICE GHOSTS :wave :wave :wave :wave

12 Jun 2007, 01:09

ImageImage john! next time you go into the bog, check who's in the closet with the door closed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!----an educational KWAKImage

Cappamore

12 Jun 2007, 01:34

Yes this is something i have looked into.. As the Data Protection act is there for all of us.. NOT JUST RM!!!

Im glad someone has the know how and balls to stand up and fight for rights!!!


WELL DONE MATE.. :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause :Applause

I might PM u if you dont mind mate???

Cheers Tommo..

Out :wave

12 Jun 2007, 11:56

I took a letter sent to me by John Colbert (campaign manager, CwU) about the strike and the RM viewpoint into the office to show a colleague, it was taken off of him by the DOM and I was called into the office and told i was not allowed to post the notice up. Well, I hadn't put up the notice, only showed the letter to my friend. I was told i was inciting things and threatened with further action if I did. The letter was not returned to me. Paranoia is rampant in the manager's camp!! What a load of *%$**!

Re: PLEASE READ,WARNED FOR SPEAKING OUT

12 Jun 2007, 12:36

john morrison wrote:TODAY 11TH JUNE I WAS WARNED TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND WATCH WHAT I SAY.AS IT COULD CONSTITUTE INCITEMENT ,I AM GUILTY OF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT MY FELLOW WORKERS AND ONLY TELL THEM THE TRUTH.LAST WEEK A LINE MANAGER TOLD ME THAT HE HAS A FILE ON ME 1" THICK,WHEN IT BECOMES 2" THICK I WILL BE SACKED.SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL.WE ARE BEING SPIED ON,LIED TO ,AND SHORTLISTED FOR SACKING :silenced NO WAY


this doesnt surprise me at all

on the mdec i have heard if you stick up for someone or enquire about them you can be threatened with the conduct code, or worse bullying and harrassment procedures so i now just go into work and get on with job and i try not to engage in a conversation with people that arent on my pod

its the way to survive on the mdec :so there

Such a shame u get treated like this!!!!!

12 Jun 2007, 14:27

I would go nuts :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: Just putting my head down and taking it up the arse all the time!!! :shock:

Sorry but it shocks me!!!! dman i respect you and your mdec workers.. But please stand up and be counted as a group in your own right!!! I know it aint easy but See if your lot can!!! Give em a fright of there lives"!!!


OUT

DONT LET THE BASTARDS GRIND YA DOWN

Re: PLEASE READ,WARNED FOR SPEAKING OUT

12 Jun 2007, 15:28

dman wrote:
john morrison wrote:TODAY 11TH JUNE I WAS WARNED TO BE VERY CAREFUL AND WATCH WHAT I SAY.AS IT COULD CONSTITUTE INCITEMENT ,I AM GUILTY OF BEING CONCERNED ABOUT MY FELLOW WORKERS AND ONLY TELL THEM THE TRUTH.LAST WEEK A LINE MANAGER TOLD ME THAT HE HAS A FILE ON ME 1" THICK,WHEN IT BECOMES 2" THICK I WILL BE SACKED.SO PLEASE BE CAREFUL.WE ARE BEING SPIED ON,LIED TO ,AND SHORTLISTED FOR SACKING :silenced NO WAY


this doesnt surprise me at all

on the mdec i have heard if you stick up for someone or enquire about them you can be threatened with the conduct code, or worse bullying and harrassment procedures so i now just go into work and get on with job and i try not to engage in a conversation with people that arent on my pod

its the way to survive on the mdec :so there


That depends how u say it Dman or if u r like me could'nt care less ne way.

12 Jun 2007, 20:52

Isn't this a variation on all that McCarthyite spying stuff reported in The Guardian in 2003? , check out Boggie the DOM Our Lawyers are watching as we plan to sequestrate the assets of the CWU.
Remember that never used before Conspiracy Charge fit up on the Shrewsbury Four during the building strike in 74?
Allan Leighton's ideas are essentially American and there has been a rise in Union Busting, some private Telecoms firms have used them here.

12 Jun 2007, 20:58

You can take RM to Tribunual for that , it's against EEC law. RM have always been autocratic , thinking themselves to be above the law , but like in most things, those two have are even worse.

been there too

12 Jun 2007, 21:53

Today (tuesday) we had a floor meeting called by the screws, the main points of this meeting were

"if you voted no to strike action thankyou very much" as you can imagine that went down well

"there is no mandate for a work to rule so doing so would be illegal industrial action" when I spoke up to say that you can still work to your 318 and just do the job properly I was told that I was inciting industrial action and I'd better keep quiet from now on.

these are the type of threats we've all just got used to. . . but we shouldn't have to get used to it

to my mind speaking up for your colleagues and working as a team are good and usefull qualities that Royal Mail would do well to use rather than try to crush.

as per usual if they can't control it they destroy it. . . Hitler would have been proud of them

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