ANNOUNCEMENT : ALL OF ROYAL MAIL'S EMPLOYMENT POLICIES (AGREEMENTS) AT A GLANCE (Updated 2021)... HERE

ANNOUNCEMENT : PLEASE BE AWARE WE ARE NOT ON FACEBOOK AT ALL!

LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Got a question for a CWU Rep? And all CWU related matters.
User avatar
POSTMAN
SITE ADMINISTRATOR
Posts: 32439
Joined: 07 Aug 2006, 03:19
Gender: Male

LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by POSTMAN »

https://www.cwu.org/ltb/ltb-006-25-upli ... onditions/

LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions
No 006/25

15th January 2025

Dear Colleagues,

Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

You will be aware that last year Royal Mail introduced a policy that meant part timers could only increase their contracted hours if they moved to the new entrants’ terms and conditions. The CWU were determined to change this unacceptable and unfair policy.

We reached an agreement in December under the USO Pilots which stated, ” Any employee employed on “legacy terms and conditions ” (i.e. those employed before 1st December 2022) currently completing a role through a temporary variation and or offered from January 2025 an increase in contracted hours will have the opportunity to accept that role on a permanent basis on their legacy terms and conditions.” This means any part timer who is offered an increase in their contracted hours in the future can do so on their current terms and conditions. In light of this, Reps and Branches should reengage in business-as-usual resourcing reviews on whether a part timer should be eligible for an uplift and ensure seniority is the deciding factor.

During the talks, Royal Mail informed the CWU that there were 10,573 part timers on a variation of contract, some dating back as far as 2017. We agreed that all of these individuals should have the opportunity to get a permanent contract. This is important as the USO will lead to a potential surplus in delivery units and those on a variation of contract may either lose this ability or not be considered within a resign, or if they wanted voluntary redundancy they would only be considered on their original contract.

All those part timers who got a variation of contract should have received this on the basis of seniority and this should have been overseen at local/area level. In fact, we are receiving reports that some Reps and individuals believe they were on a permanent contract already. The clear lesson is in the future we must ensure that individuals get an actual contract that reflects the new contracted hours.

There will also be the opportunity for further uplifts in part time to full time under the USO pilots and reform, as the modelling is showing that there is an increase in part time to full time of between 15% to 20% when introducing the USO change.

The headlines are a great news story for those 10,573 part timers on a variation of contract who will now get the opportunity to accept a permanent position on their current terms.

The headlines nationally are:
  • 8,529 part timers who are on a variation of contract will get the opportunity to confirm a permanent full time job on 37 hours.
  • 1,701 part timers on a variation of contract will get the opportunity to accept an increased hourly contract on a permanent basis.
  • 343 part timers on a 35 hour contract who were working 37 hours or above will now get the opportunity to have a 37 hour contract on a permanent basis.
There is a further piece of work being undertaken to identify those individuals who were capped at 35 hours full time after the Four Pillars agreement in 2018. The aim will be to give those individuals an opportunity to move to 37 hours on a permanent basis. This does not mean we have given up on the union’s long-standing policy to achieve the 35-hour gross working week. Instead, it is a recognition that we have other priorities for now, such as improving basic pay, equalising new entrants’ terms and conditions, improving overtime and SA rates, improving sick pay arrangements and voluntary redundancy terms, as well as improving attendance patterns with less days at work along with fewer Saturdays.

It is also important for Branches and Reps at all levels to make sure we maximise the opportunity to recruit any non-members whilst carrying out the work of ensuring part timers are given an improved permanent contract. These permanent uplifts would never have happened without the union at all levels applying pressure to get Royal Mail to change their unfair policy.

Finally, please see attached important information to assist you in the task of achieving the permanent uplifts in part time contracts.
  • Communication on the part time uplifts.
  • Headlines of the biggest units with the most part time to full time uplifts per ROD Area.
  • Details of every workplace listing in three categories part time to full time, increase in part time contracted hours and the numbers per unit who will get the opportunity to move from 35 to 37 hours.
Any enquiries in relation to the content of this LTB should be addressed to the DGS(P) Department hford@cwu.org.

Yours sincerely,

Martin Walsh

Deputy General Secretary (Postal)





List of all units...LTB 006/25 – Att 3 (xl download)
I Wrote-During Covid-Which is still relevant now
It's good to get these types of threads, the ridiculous my manager said bollox, so we can reassure ourselves that while the world is falling apart, Royal Mail managers are still being the low-life C***S they have always been.
My BFF Clash
The daily grind of having to argue your case with an intellectual pigmy of a line manager is physically and emotionally draining.
tramssirhc
Posts: 1354
Joined: 04 Sep 2012, 20:19
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by tramssirhc »

The 11,000 figure was the first lie.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
qwerty2
Posts: 1832
Joined: 30 Jun 2009, 00:42
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by qwerty2 »

tramssirhc wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 16:58
The 11,000 figure was the first lie.
One person in my office :left: :Applause :arrrghhh
CWU = useless
Acca Dacca
Posts: 3078
Joined: 16 Aug 2009, 17:13
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by Acca Dacca »

Exactly as I thought

A lot of disappointed part timers had their hopes up

Question for Martin for those of us who are PT but arent on a variation contract, if we ever get offered an increased contract will this be a permanant contract or will it be one of these variation contracts and the ship has now sailed getting a permanent contract? It says future increased contracts will be on legacy terms (for those currently on legacy terms ) but what about the permanency of it?

I do regular OT without any variation contract and i'd find it galling to be offered a variation contract in the future now knowing they arent really woth the paper they are written on and that those given them before me have had them made permanent - im sure loads will feel the same way

Shouldnt the case be made for them to be scrapped completely? Have they been?

Thanks
Last edited by Acca Dacca on 15 Jan 2025, 17:22, edited 2 times in total.
If you tolerate this, then your paid break will be next
tramssirhc
Posts: 1354
Joined: 04 Sep 2012, 20:19
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by tramssirhc »

qwerty2 wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 17:01
tramssirhc wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 16:58
The 11,000 figure was the first lie.
One person in my office :left: :Applause :arrrghhh
CWU = useless
Whilst the duty structure has been smashed to pieces? Full timers left in droves?
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
tramssirhc
Posts: 1354
Joined: 04 Sep 2012, 20:19
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by tramssirhc »

Acca Dacca wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 17:13
Exactly as I thought

A lot of disappointed part timers had their hopes up

Question for Martin for those of us who are PT but arent on a variation contract, if we ever get offered an increased contract will this be a permanant contract or will it be one of these variation contracts and the ship has now sailed getting a permanent contract? It says future increased contracts will be on legacy terms (for those currently on legacy terms ) but what about the permanency of it?

I do regular OT without any variation contract and i'd find it galling to be offered a variation contract in the future now knowing they arent really woth the paper they are written on and that those given them before me have had them made permanent - im sure loads will feel the same way

Shouldnt the case be made for them to be scrapped completely? Have they been?

Thanks
In fairness to the part timers they did get sold a load of shite by the Comms department. 11,000 was a lie. The pretext was misleading. Return the favour by leaving that tinpot Union.
"The leadership will sabotage the fight and only make the slightest move under fear of powerful working class action" - Des Warren
qwerty2
Posts: 1832
Joined: 30 Jun 2009, 00:42
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by qwerty2 »

ted_e_bear
Posts: 3612
Joined: 03 Sep 2012, 19:37
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by ted_e_bear »

Can someone please explain what the difference is between the three options (groups 1, 2 and 3) on the list of affected offices?
sjmassey27
Posts: 5
Joined: 19 Dec 2018, 21:30
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by sjmassey27 »

Quick question directly to Martin Walsh, as a part timer who clocked over 400 hours overtime in the last calender year, do I deserve or warrant being made up to full time.
Thanks
ted_e_bear
Posts: 3612
Joined: 03 Sep 2012, 19:37
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by ted_e_bear »

sjmassey27 wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 19:20
Quick question directly to Martin Walsh, as a part timer who clocked over 400 hours overtime in the last calender year, do I deserve or warrant being made up to full time.
Thanks
I can probably answer that, it would depend on what type of overtime it was, for example if it was pre delivery overtime either IPS or prepping duties then I'd say that would indicate your office needs more full time duties however if it was delivering part of a duty, or parcels as extra work or working your day off to deliver a duty then maybe not.
TopperGas
Posts: 2882
Joined: 13 Feb 2021, 22:46
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by TopperGas »

qwerty2 wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 17:28
List of all units

https://www.cwu.org/wp-content/uploads/ ... Att-3.xlsx
What a farce this is, before the CWU announced that up to 11,000 PT staff could be upgraded, why didn't they do a sample check in order to ensure that the staff in question hadn't already been upgraded to FT?

I'd imagine only a handful of PT will be upgraded, which makes sense, as why upgrade staff now then have to pay increase VR payments if the same staff decide to take VR following the USO reforms.
hero22
Posts: 535
Joined: 21 Mar 2016, 19:48
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by hero22 »

This is all as clear as mud.

Ive been on a 35 hour contract for 6 odd years now along with a good few others all made up at the same time. Dows this mean we are all to be offered 37 hours if wanted or can someone explain to me in the simplest way possible what is actually being offered?
sjmassey27
Posts: 5
Joined: 19 Dec 2018, 21:30
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by sjmassey27 »

ted_e_bear wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 19:55
sjmassey27 wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 19:20
Quick question directly to Martin Walsh, as a part timer who clocked over 400 hours overtime in the last calender year, do I deserve or warrant being made up to full time.
Thanks
I can probably answer that, it would depend on what type of overtime it was, for example if it was pre delivery overtime either IPS or prepping duties then I'd say that would indicate your office needs more full time duties however if it was delivering part of a duty, or parcels as extra work or working your day off to deliver a duty then maybe not.
Thanks for your reply ted_e_bear, it's all of the above to be fair, would be nice to hear from Martin himself though. Yes or no would do.
clashcityrocker
Posts: 15998
Joined: 22 Sep 2009, 13:50
Gender: Male
Location: strummerville

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by clashcityrocker »

ted_e_bear wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 19:55
sjmassey27 wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 19:20
Quick question directly to Martin Walsh, as a part timer who clocked over 400 hours overtime in the last calender year, do I deserve or warrant being made up to full time.
Thanks
I can probably answer that, it would depend on what type of overtime it was, for example if it was pre delivery overtime either IPS or prepping duties then I'd say that would indicate your office needs more full time duties however if it was delivering part of a duty, or parcels as extra work or working your day off to deliver a duty then maybe not.
Also if you were covering sick absence (or any other type of leave) the answer is no.
If the climate was a bank, they would already have saved it.
TopperGas
Posts: 2882
Joined: 13 Feb 2021, 22:46
Gender: Male

Re: LTB 006/25 – Uplift in Part Time Contracts on Legacy Terms and Conditions

Post by TopperGas »

hero22 wrote:
15 Jan 2025, 20:43
This is all as clear as mud.

Ive been on a 35 hour contract for 6 odd years now along with a good few others all made up at the same time. Dows this mean we are all to be offered 37 hours if wanted or can someone explain to me in the simplest way possible what is actually being offered?
Unless RM explained what's going on anything the CWU say is fairly meaningless as only our employers can offer us new contracts not the CWU.